1 00:00:03,904 --> 00:00:05,273 You want to try one? 2 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:07,075 What do you say? Let's do it. Yes. 3 00:00:07,308 --> 00:00:08,508 Let's shoot. Yep. Shoot. 4 00:00:08,509 --> 00:00:09,877 John, shoot. 5 00:00:12,213 --> 00:00:13,447 Let's go. 6 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:15,548 Roll Keanu back up. Let's shoot. 7 00:00:15,549 --> 00:00:16,984 Okay, let's mount up. 8 00:00:19,087 --> 00:00:20,554 Here we go. 9 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:27,961 Keep the charge. Go time. 10 00:00:28,296 --> 00:00:29,362 All right. And let's roll. 11 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:30,898 Quiet, please. 12 00:00:33,501 --> 00:00:35,203 And let's roll. 13 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:38,639 Rolling. Very quiet all around, please. 14 00:00:38,806 --> 00:00:41,242 B. Victory 88 Charlie, Take 1. A-mark. 15 00:00:41,442 --> 00:00:43,644 Guys doing the shell casing, it will come this direction. 16 00:00:43,811 --> 00:00:46,080 What's a good eyeline here to look at them? 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,681 Let's see. That's good. 18 00:00:47,848 --> 00:00:48,982 Here to here to here? 19 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:50,884 No, uh, bring it around a little bit. 20 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,320 That's good. 21 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:54,588 That's better. You like that? 22 00:00:54,688 --> 00:00:56,690 So, I'll start here. Three, two, one, and I'll just be like, "Fuck." 23 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:59,160 Stand by. Standing by. Here we go. 24 00:00:59,327 --> 00:01:02,363 Yeah, let's see what comes. But if we can get the pull and-- 25 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,065 Quiet, please. All right, very good. 26 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:09,770 And thank you. Okay. Ready and action. 27 00:01:34,728 --> 00:01:36,864 Good. Cut. Cut. 28 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:38,766 There you go. You like that? 29 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:40,801 A little bit of anger is good. 30 00:01:42,536 --> 00:01:45,373 When we say, "John Wick is pain," 31 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:49,677 it's kind of like a "Fuck yeah," you know? 32 00:01:49,877 --> 00:01:52,646 It's like a "Fuck yeah. Wick is pain." 33 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:55,483 It's like, "It's so good, it hurts." 34 00:01:55,683 --> 00:01:57,151 Or, "It hurts so good." 35 00:01:58,219 --> 00:01:59,253 Um... 36 00:02:00,921 --> 00:02:02,156 And I think... 37 00:02:03,391 --> 00:02:07,561 I think that's why the audiences like it, too. 38 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:11,265 I think you can see it on the screen, 39 00:02:11,432 --> 00:02:15,169 and there's a kind of B movie, B-action genre to it, 40 00:02:15,369 --> 00:02:20,474 taken to, like, a super high artsy level in a way. 41 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:24,745 But there is the joy of people getting hit by cars 42 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:28,148 and falling from impossible... Like, "You can't survive that." 43 00:02:28,316 --> 00:02:33,086 And-- And then John Wick kind of getting back up or struggling. 44 00:02:33,254 --> 00:02:36,190 It's like an invitation, you know? 45 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:40,328 And it kind of takes care of you, and it feels authentic. 46 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:45,032 I believe that that's in the movies, 47 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:50,404 and that when you watch them, you're like, "Yeah, this is like..." 48 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:54,208 As John Wick says in John Wick, 49 00:02:54,408 --> 00:02:56,377 "It's personal." 50 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:15,389 You know, I always looked at it with, like, art envy, 51 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:19,259 with, you know, Scorsese and De Niro. 52 00:04:19,427 --> 00:04:23,230 You know, like, De Niro had his director, you know? 53 00:04:23,397 --> 00:04:26,334 And so, when I think of that, then that's what I think of. 54 00:04:26,534 --> 00:04:31,739 Like, with the John Wick role, I had-- I had my director there. 55 00:04:47,755 --> 00:04:49,657 This is 87eleven. 56 00:04:49,857 --> 00:04:51,925 I try to start my day here every morning at 6:00 a.m. 57 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:53,627 before I go into the office. 58 00:04:59,933 --> 00:05:03,003 This is where all the stunt performers come to train. 59 00:05:03,203 --> 00:05:05,105 We've trained for all the John Wicks here. 60 00:05:05,272 --> 00:05:09,743 It's also where I have to come and try to keep the joints working. 61 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:11,445 Yeah, a lot of miles on the body. 62 00:05:11,612 --> 00:05:13,814 The wear and tear of not just stunt work, 63 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:16,984 but of all the martial art and the physicality that I've done. 64 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:20,287 I've broken my hands, both ankles, both knees, both hips, both shoulders, 65 00:05:20,454 --> 00:05:23,957 both elbows, both arms, several concussions. 66 00:05:24,124 --> 00:05:27,461 But if you're passionate about something, pain's part of it. 67 00:05:27,628 --> 00:05:29,862 I don't think you can have one without the other. 68 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:31,732 It's really about choice. 69 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:34,033 What you're willing to do to achieve what you want to achieve. 70 00:05:34,034 --> 00:05:35,769 Nice. 71 00:05:36,203 --> 00:05:37,604 Growing up, my dad was very athletic. Mom was very athletic. 72 00:05:37,605 --> 00:05:39,540 Everybody in the house got up at 6:00. 73 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:42,710 Before we went to school, we did laps with Mom in the pool, 74 00:05:42,910 --> 00:05:46,013 or we went for a jog, we went for a run with the dogs or something like that. 75 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:49,049 They had that discipline of get up, go do something physical. 76 00:05:49,249 --> 00:05:51,952 It was already instilled in me way back then. 77 00:05:52,119 --> 00:05:54,988 I-I remember Chad goes, "What are you doing? You wanna train?" 78 00:05:55,155 --> 00:05:59,226 I go, "It's Christmas Eve." And he's like, "Christmas evening." 79 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:02,530 "You can train in the morning." Like that kind of shit. 80 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:05,499 I, for some reason, never gravitated towards team sports. 81 00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:07,067 I was a shy kid. 82 00:06:07,267 --> 00:06:09,069 But when I was probably only like ten years old, 83 00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:11,338 I saw a Bruce Lee movie. I'm like, "I wanna do that." 84 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:13,907 So I started doing judo when I was like ten or 11. 85 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:15,676 That kind of led to the martial art career 86 00:06:15,843 --> 00:06:18,846 that I started when I was in California to go to USC. 87 00:06:20,681 --> 00:06:23,684 In college, I had met a student who was one of the associate instructors 88 00:06:23,851 --> 00:06:25,553 at the Inosanto Academy in Marina Del Rey. 89 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,556 Dan Inosanto trained with Bruce Lee, 90 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:31,191 and he was one of the greatest martial art instructors of the time. 91 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:35,162 The Inosanto Academy had almost a collegiate setting. 92 00:06:35,328 --> 00:06:36,764 It wasn't one martial art. 93 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:38,432 He'd bring in instructors from all over the world. 94 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:39,833 Amazing instructors. 95 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,505 Literally, if I wasn't going to school, I would either jog the four miles 96 00:06:44,672 --> 00:06:47,875 or take the city bus down to Marina Del Rey from Downtown LA 97 00:06:48,041 --> 00:06:49,843 and take classes or spend my weekends down there. 98 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:52,345 I would sleep on the floor or whatever. 99 00:06:52,513 --> 00:06:56,049 Chad was probably the best kickboxer in that school. 100 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:58,552 I used to watch this guy just beat the crap out of everybody. 101 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:03,290 I just remember, if we were training kickboxing, 102 00:07:03,491 --> 00:07:05,959 he would try to come up with the best training drills, 103 00:07:06,159 --> 00:07:07,595 the best kickboxing drills. 104 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:10,097 Everything to just be the best at what we were doing. 105 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:11,298 That's always been his thing. 106 00:07:14,034 --> 00:07:17,605 My last year in college, I had met a few stuntmen through the Inosanto Academy, 107 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:19,873 like Jeff Imada and Brandon Lee. 108 00:07:21,542 --> 00:07:23,043 Brandon was working on his acting career, 109 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:25,412 trying to, you know, follow in his father's steps. 110 00:07:25,979 --> 00:07:27,781 Super motivated guy. 111 00:07:28,181 --> 00:07:30,850 Had the best laugh on the planet. Really talented martial art guy. 112 00:07:32,352 --> 00:07:34,287 Every weekend, we'd get together, 113 00:07:34,421 --> 00:07:36,757 and we'd do what we thought, hopefully, was martial art choreography, 114 00:07:36,924 --> 00:07:39,392 but it was a bunch of us just trying to figure out how to sell a punch 115 00:07:39,527 --> 00:07:41,428 and learn how to be stuntmen. 116 00:07:41,829 --> 00:07:44,897 We'd have our old, big VHS camera, trying to figure out the angles. 117 00:07:44,898 --> 00:07:46,967 I still have some of the tapes. 118 00:07:47,134 --> 00:07:49,970 I go back and look at them going, "How did we not kill each other?" 119 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:53,140 I remember Brandon coming into the gym one night before a workout, 120 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:56,409 going, you know, "I fucking got it." 121 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:59,580 We're like, "What you get?" and he's like, "Look, they're gonna make The Crow. 122 00:07:59,747 --> 00:08:01,682 I got the job being Eric Draven." 123 00:08:01,882 --> 00:08:04,852 It was really, really cool. Like, we were so happy for him. 124 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:08,656 It was a big deal. Big deal for Brandon to get that. 125 00:08:08,822 --> 00:08:13,426 And that's, um, that's kind of how I got my first big gig in Hollywood. 126 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:19,667 I was still competing at the time and getting ready for a big bout in Japan, 127 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:22,903 and Brandon had just gone off to North Carolina to Carolco Studios, 128 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:24,705 where they were shooting The Crow. 129 00:08:24,905 --> 00:08:30,377 And we got a call saying there was an accident. 130 00:08:30,578 --> 00:08:32,379 We're like, "He'll be fine. It's Brandon." 131 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:34,147 You know, we didn't think anything of it. 132 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:36,483 And he died, I think, 14 hours later. 133 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:44,658 And then the show shut down. They were still a couple weeks from finishing. 134 00:08:44,825 --> 00:08:48,962 Between Alex Proyas, the director, the studio, and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom, 135 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:50,731 they decided to finish the film. 136 00:08:52,332 --> 00:08:55,335 Jeff Imada had contacted me, and he knew how close we were to Brandon. 137 00:08:55,502 --> 00:08:57,638 He knew I was already doing some stunt work at the time. 138 00:08:57,805 --> 00:09:01,374 And Brandon and I had very similar body types. 139 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,677 You don't know what to think. 140 00:09:03,844 --> 00:09:06,479 Selfishly, one part of me is like, "Wow, this could be really cool to finish, man." 141 00:09:06,647 --> 00:09:08,749 The other thing is like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" 142 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:10,918 You're like, "Your friend's dead." 143 00:09:11,118 --> 00:09:14,688 I-I can't recall what my actual head or mindset was at the time, 144 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:16,890 but I decided to do the job. 145 00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:19,326 And Alex brought me down to a little basement in the studio there, 146 00:09:19,492 --> 00:09:23,030 and we watched for like two days straight every daily we could of Brandon. 147 00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:26,399 And he'd make me mimic walking, talking, sitting, 148 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,268 just every mannerism Brandon had. 149 00:09:28,468 --> 00:09:30,904 And since I had known him for a couple years, 150 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:34,041 it was one of the most surreal experiences you'll ever go through. 151 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:38,211 Your career starts because of that. 152 00:09:45,552 --> 00:09:47,420 Chad, when I first met him, 153 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:51,124 had, like, this long, beautiful hair down to here. 154 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:53,560 Insane. It was incredible. 155 00:09:53,794 --> 00:09:56,764 He looked like Daniel Day-Lewis in The Last of the Mohicans. 156 00:09:58,331 --> 00:10:03,370 We actually met through a mutual friend at one of the first UFC fights. 157 00:10:03,536 --> 00:10:07,207 Somebody was watching it at home, and we all met at somebody's house, 158 00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:10,076 and Chad and I just met, and we started talking about martial arts. 159 00:10:10,077 --> 00:10:11,912 Totally hit it off. 160 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:14,881 And I said, "Hey, I'm up to do the sequel to Bloodsport." 161 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:17,284 He was like, "I love Bloodsport. I'd love to be involved." 162 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,219 So he came onboard. 163 00:10:19,386 --> 00:10:21,755 He became one of the fighters. He did one of the fights with me. 164 00:10:21,922 --> 00:10:23,456 And Chad actually choreographed that fight. 165 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,793 And at the time, Chad was really into trapping. 166 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:27,594 We did a lot of trapping. 167 00:10:27,761 --> 00:10:30,230 Chad used all my kicking. I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy. 168 00:10:30,397 --> 00:10:33,701 And it turned out to be my best fight in the movie. 169 00:10:33,901 --> 00:10:36,236 So when Bloodsport III came around, 170 00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:38,238 I ask him, "Would you like to be the fight coordinator?" 171 00:10:38,405 --> 00:10:39,306 So he came onboard. 172 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:41,308 This time, it's my turn. 173 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:44,745 And I actually think the fights Chad did at the time were incredible. 174 00:10:44,912 --> 00:10:46,847 Even if you watch it now, 175 00:10:47,047 --> 00:10:49,149 it's still a little bit like, you know, '90s, like... 176 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:51,384 But the techniques are already great. 177 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:53,286 Then I did a movie called Perfect Target. 178 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:55,789 It was a smaller movie. We shot it in Mexico. 179 00:10:55,956 --> 00:10:58,291 So, Chad tells me, "Hey, listen. I have this buddy 180 00:10:58,458 --> 00:11:01,161 who's gonna come and visit and wanna hang out and maybe do some stunts." 181 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:02,262 I'm like, "Absolutely." 182 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:03,997 And I meet David Leitch. 183 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:08,635 I started training at a martial arts school in college 184 00:11:08,802 --> 00:11:10,203 called the Minnesota Kali Group, 185 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:12,773 and they were affiliated with Dan Inosanto. 186 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:14,708 Once I was exposed to those martial arts 187 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:18,177 and that sort of martial art community, I was, like, obsessed. 188 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:21,181 And that's where I met a lot of my friends for the first time 189 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:23,851 who are still my friends today. And one of them was Chad. 190 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:26,954 He was just saying one day that he really wanted to go into acting. 191 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,023 And I was like, "Well, hey, if you wanna be cast, why don't you come out? 192 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:32,893 We'll put you in the movie. We'll teach you how to be a stunt guy." 193 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:35,228 You know, I was gonna go to LA for holiday. 194 00:11:35,428 --> 00:11:38,165 And he's like, "Why don't you just come to Mexico and get on a movie set?" 195 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:41,034 And I'm like, "Well, I'm not gonna be working. It's gonna be weird." 196 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:43,570 And he's like, "Just come. It'll be cool. You'll get to see it." 197 00:11:43,771 --> 00:11:47,007 So, yeah, I took my money that I was gonna spend on that trip, and I flew to Mexico. 198 00:11:47,174 --> 00:11:48,742 It was an awesome experience. 199 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,246 We just put him to work as little background extras 200 00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:55,182 and then started teaching him stunts. 201 00:11:55,348 --> 00:11:57,017 And then he looked like one of the guys. 202 00:11:57,184 --> 00:11:59,186 So, "Hey, just double this guy in this fight scene." 203 00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:00,553 He's like, "What do I gotta do?" 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,189 "Just snap your head like this." 205 00:12:02,355 --> 00:12:05,492 I got to work one day on that. 206 00:12:05,658 --> 00:12:09,096 Brian Thompson throws me through a wicker chair. 207 00:12:09,296 --> 00:12:11,031 I was so excited. Couldn't wait. 208 00:12:11,198 --> 00:12:13,700 Just do it again. Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it. 209 00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:16,403 But luckily it was a low-budget movie, so they could only afford one take, 210 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:18,005 so one breakaway, and I was done. 211 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:21,041 Dave wasn't pretentious at all, 212 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:23,010 so it wasn't about looking cool like stunt guys are trying to look cool. 213 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:26,579 He would play any part. He'd play the guy that would cry. 214 00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:28,615 He'd play the homeless guy. He'd play the cop. 215 00:12:28,816 --> 00:12:30,482 A lot of stunt guys just wanted to do the stunt. 216 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:31,684 They didn't want to act. 217 00:12:32,019 --> 00:12:33,353 Dave was like, "I'll do the part." 218 00:12:33,486 --> 00:12:36,289 So, very quickly, his career kind of took off. 219 00:12:36,489 --> 00:12:39,793 After that couple of years, we ended up getting a run on television. 220 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:42,529 Chad was doubling the lead on The Pretender, 221 00:12:42,695 --> 00:12:45,032 and I was doubling a ton of different guys. 222 00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:46,900 There was another thing that was happening too. 223 00:12:47,067 --> 00:12:51,038 Martial arts had started to come to America in terms of action. 224 00:12:52,339 --> 00:12:56,977 Shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Martial Law. 225 00:12:57,177 --> 00:13:01,614 And the stunt world at that time was very cowboy, 226 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:03,783 car, motorcycle oriented. 227 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:08,988 But now when you had this really specific need for martial arts stuntmen, 228 00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:10,757 we became hot commodities. 229 00:13:10,958 --> 00:13:14,427 And that's when Chad got his break on the first Matrix. 230 00:13:17,097 --> 00:13:19,499 Oh, my God. That was the first time I met you. 231 00:13:19,699 --> 00:13:21,368 The Matrix. 232 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:22,936 It's impossible to really talk about any of the John Wicks 233 00:13:23,136 --> 00:13:24,471 without talking about Matrix. 234 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:26,406 - Yeah. - That's where we all met. 235 00:13:26,573 --> 00:13:29,009 I got this call saying they were looking for martial art doubles 236 00:13:29,209 --> 00:13:31,444 for Keanu for a sci-fi movie. 237 00:13:31,611 --> 00:13:33,746 A sci-fi movie! It was a sci-fi movie. 238 00:13:33,914 --> 00:13:36,783 So I got the call, and I literally just went in for an audition, 239 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:39,086 and that's where I met Yuen Woo-Ping and all the guys. 240 00:13:39,252 --> 00:13:41,088 Then they introduced me to Tiger Chen. 241 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:43,656 Two-time national Chinese wushu champion. 242 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:47,260 Yeah. It was pretty mind-blowing actually. 243 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:49,863 This is Chen Hu. Call him Tiger Chen. 244 00:13:50,063 --> 00:13:52,966 He was in charge of training Keanu Reeves for all the Matrix movies. 245 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,734 He's also my coach. 246 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:57,637 One of the best performers ever in wuxia. 247 00:13:57,804 --> 00:14:00,807 So, when I got called to do the audition in Burbank, 248 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:05,012 all that was told to me was it's a Keanu Reeves sci-fi movie 249 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:07,280 and they need some kung fu guy. Sci-fi movie. 250 00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:08,848 I'm like, "You need kung fu?" 251 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:10,984 He said, "Just go down there and audition." 252 00:14:11,151 --> 00:14:15,822 I meet Woo-Ping, I meet the Wachowskis, and they say, "Okay, follow him." 253 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:19,826 And he goes fucking Wile E. Coyote and just does the Tasmanian Devil thing. 254 00:14:19,993 --> 00:14:22,395 Some of the best martial arts stuff I've ever seen. 255 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:25,532 And I'm like, "Follow him?" 256 00:14:25,698 --> 00:14:29,002 Every tumbling pass, every kick, every form, everything. 257 00:14:29,169 --> 00:14:31,704 I'm, like, in jeans and a T-shirt, dripping in sweat, going, 258 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,706 "Well, this is a different kind of audition." 259 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:37,410 He was like jumping, kicking, punching. Woo-Ping says, "This is good. 260 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:39,079 He looks like Keanu, too." 261 00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:43,315 From the very first day, he's training all the time. 262 00:14:43,316 --> 00:14:45,552 Every day, even the weekend. 263 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:47,087 Every weekend he's just calling me. 264 00:14:47,287 --> 00:14:49,689 I was like, you know, trying to go out and play, 265 00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:52,492 you know, go somewhere to play, he was calling me, like-- 266 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,561 - No, please. Please. - "Can we training? Can we training?" 267 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:56,596 Please don't go karaoke. 268 00:14:56,796 --> 00:14:58,398 I just didn't want to suck. 269 00:14:58,565 --> 00:15:00,600 'Cause I saw Keanu, and how much they had trained him, 270 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,236 and he had like a six-month head start, and he was already, like, really good. 271 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,507 I had to go through so much training to learn, like, the kung fu and stuff. 272 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:10,443 Hong Kong style. All the wild wirework. 273 00:15:10,643 --> 00:15:14,281 And wirework wasn't huge even in mainstream stunts at the time, 274 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:16,583 so I'm almost learning from Keanu a lot of the times. 275 00:15:16,883 --> 00:15:19,818 He had already been doing the choreography a couple months at least, right? 276 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:21,888 And some of your kung fu was outstanding. 277 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:23,556 Well, no. Movie kung fu. 278 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:25,625 The movie kung fu was pretty-- Movie kung fu. 279 00:15:25,825 --> 00:15:27,460 You'd already got the forms right, everything looks good. 280 00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:28,928 You had the flexibility going. Yeah. 281 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:30,964 Oh, yeah. There you are helping me out. 282 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:34,267 Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Fucking awesome. 283 00:15:35,202 --> 00:15:36,703 That's Chad into the wall. 284 00:15:37,404 --> 00:15:39,306 That's Chad into the wall. 285 00:15:40,073 --> 00:15:41,874 That's Chad into the ceiling. 286 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:45,145 Oh, yeah. Then he's gonna break his knee coming down from that. 287 00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:47,080 That's right. Yeah. 288 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:49,282 There he is on crutches. 289 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:51,318 Before and afters. Before and after. 290 00:15:51,518 --> 00:15:54,321 Yeah. We learned so much on that show. Oh, my God. 291 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:56,956 Chad came back from The Matrix, 292 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:59,292 and he was like, "Here's what's happening, guys. 293 00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:01,761 Like, they shoot and edit their own stuff. 294 00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:04,064 They choreograph, and they cut it all together. 295 00:16:04,231 --> 00:16:07,467 And they're telling their own stories in their own sequences." 296 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,169 And they're like, "We gotta do this. 297 00:16:09,369 --> 00:16:11,071 This is the way we should be approaching all this stuff." 298 00:16:11,238 --> 00:16:12,572 And action. 299 00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:20,947 We started to do it ourselves, 300 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:23,149 and we would get all the martial art stunt guys together, 301 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:25,285 and we would choreograph and edit fight scenes 302 00:16:26,553 --> 00:16:29,022 as an exercise, but also because we just loved it. 303 00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:31,758 We would go and take a scene from Jackie Chan, 304 00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:33,360 and we would recreate that scene. 305 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,328 And it became very apparent that Chad and Dave 306 00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:36,663 were thinking like directors. 307 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:38,165 Like, why did the camera go there? 308 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:40,967 Why did we use this lens? How many shots? 309 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:42,935 How many moves do we hold here before we move here? 310 00:16:43,136 --> 00:16:46,106 Previs was a game changer. Now directors saw what we can do. 311 00:16:46,239 --> 00:16:47,707 Soon we became known for that. 312 00:16:47,907 --> 00:16:50,177 People would request them. Directors would request them. 313 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:52,145 Somewhere along the way, we started a stunt team. 314 00:16:52,312 --> 00:16:53,546 Then we started a stunt company. 315 00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:58,485 They don't like that camera. 316 00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:02,222 They don't like it? No. I can tell. 317 00:17:04,191 --> 00:17:06,726 The idea behind 87eleven was that it was a one-stop shop. 318 00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:09,496 They were an action design company. 319 00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:12,232 You come here and you get a fight team, a fight coordinator, 320 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:16,069 stunt coordinator, second unit director, the whole package in one. 321 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:18,505 Whoo! 322 00:17:18,671 --> 00:17:19,906 We were all kind of with this team, 323 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:21,508 we worked together, we trained together. 324 00:17:21,608 --> 00:17:23,210 Chad and I got married. 325 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:25,345 So it was a very fun time. 326 00:17:25,512 --> 00:17:27,580 Cheers. 327 00:17:27,780 --> 00:17:29,849 I'll talk to you in a bit. Bye. See you later. Bye. 328 00:17:29,949 --> 00:17:31,518 Even if we didn't have a project, 329 00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:33,885 Chad would just make us do drills like we had a project. 330 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,256 Put us in situations like, "Choreograph this. 331 00:17:36,456 --> 00:17:39,326 You guys gotta learn this martial art. Let's do this. Let's spar. 332 00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:41,561 Let's put a knife in hand. Let's see what happens when we do this." 333 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:43,230 Our company started to get bigger, 334 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,898 and I was the one that was more of a coordinator first, 335 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:48,067 so Dave was working for me a lot. 336 00:17:48,235 --> 00:17:51,604 Dave and Chad. Okay, let's step out and narrate this for a second, okay? 337 00:17:51,804 --> 00:17:53,106 All right... 338 00:17:53,306 --> 00:17:55,742 Two partners. Two best friends. Here we go. 339 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,711 Aw, see, there's the hug. Aw. 340 00:17:58,878 --> 00:18:00,547 They were best friends, thick as thieves. 341 00:18:00,980 --> 00:18:03,416 You know, always training together, always working together. 342 00:18:04,551 --> 00:18:06,686 But then we were very fortunate, we had a lot of work offers, 343 00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:08,488 so Dave started doing his thing. 344 00:18:08,888 --> 00:18:11,157 And he became a stunt coordinator and a choreographer as well. 345 00:18:11,158 --> 00:18:14,227 Switch your lead to the right lead. 346 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:18,465 By that time, they were like this old married couple 347 00:18:18,665 --> 00:18:22,469 that bickered and fought, but also, like, tight as can be. 348 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:24,871 We used to call them Dad and Uncle Dad. 349 00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:27,740 Before John Wick, Chad and I had directed 350 00:18:27,907 --> 00:18:29,209 a lot of second unit together. 351 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:31,543 And then our company was getting so many calls 352 00:18:31,544 --> 00:18:33,246 that we started to work separately. 353 00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:36,216 I was doing big second units. He was doing big second units. 354 00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:37,984 Action. 355 00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:40,119 We were seeing each other every day and talking every day. 356 00:18:40,287 --> 00:18:42,322 We'd riff different ideas for choreography. 357 00:18:42,522 --> 00:18:45,425 He'd be on, like, TRON and be like, "Hey, how do I do laser disc things?" 358 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:48,795 And I'd be like, "There's some ideas," and bounce things off of each other. 359 00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:55,635 You start to realize, "I'm telling one third of the story. 360 00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:58,137 I might as well tell the whole story." 361 00:18:58,305 --> 00:19:00,272 Dave was already going down the first unit director 362 00:19:00,273 --> 00:19:02,141 before I was actually. 363 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:04,843 I was still, you know, pretty content doing all the second unit stuff. 364 00:19:04,844 --> 00:19:06,879 I was really getting the itch, 365 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,016 and I was, like, out there looking to find scripts and get them developed, 366 00:19:11,017 --> 00:19:13,453 but to not much success. 367 00:19:14,454 --> 00:19:16,589 They were offered movies left and right, 368 00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:19,426 but they were all like the $5 million specials, 369 00:19:19,592 --> 00:19:20,960 and they turned everything down. 370 00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,530 They were waiting for the right, right project. 371 00:19:26,966 --> 00:19:28,668 At the time, 372 00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:32,805 I had finally optioned my first screenplay to Voltage Pictures. 373 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:36,276 It was 1,500 bucks which, at the time, was two months' rent. 374 00:19:36,443 --> 00:19:38,311 And I was trying to figure out what to do next. 375 00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:41,113 I remember just kind of going, "I haven't done a revenge movie." 376 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:42,682 And our neighbors were heading out of town, 377 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,784 and they had just adopted a chorgi, 378 00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:47,620 which is a Chihuahua-corgi, puppy named Moose. 379 00:19:47,787 --> 00:19:53,460 And I always write slouched in my chair with a pillow across my chest, 380 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:56,229 and the puppy slept on the pillow. 381 00:19:57,264 --> 00:19:59,299 And I started writing, and I'd be like, 382 00:19:59,466 --> 00:20:03,069 "Man, what if someone killed this fucking puppy?" 383 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:06,806 We had met Derek on a general meeting. I'd read another script of his. 384 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:10,910 And he pitched this. He's like, "I have this action script I wrote called Scorn." 385 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:14,814 I remember vividly reading it that weekend and emailing Basil. 386 00:20:14,981 --> 00:20:17,884 I still have the email, and it was like, "There's something about this script. 387 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,252 I think it's 'cause I love dogs. 388 00:20:19,452 --> 00:20:20,587 The villain's really thin, 389 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:22,654 and it's not perfect by any means, 390 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,424 but I think we should go for it." 391 00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:26,759 And he wrote back, "I agree." 392 00:20:26,959 --> 00:20:29,161 There was just a clean, crazy hook. 393 00:20:29,329 --> 00:20:32,365 "You killed my dog, and now I will exact revenge." 394 00:20:32,532 --> 00:20:34,734 I wrote it with Paul Newman in mind. 395 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,837 So, he was in his early 70s. It was a Robert De Niro type. 396 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:40,340 His wife dies, he gets the dog, and the car is stolen, 397 00:20:40,507 --> 00:20:42,041 and he kicks some ass. 398 00:20:42,208 --> 00:20:46,379 The dog was the last tenuous connection he had to his wife. 399 00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:50,750 But the body count was, you know, less than two dozen. 400 00:20:50,883 --> 00:20:52,685 But I realized soon afterwards 401 00:20:53,052 --> 00:20:56,187 that I may have backed myself into a corner because of the age. 402 00:20:56,188 --> 00:20:58,891 And so then I was thinking, "Okay, do you go with slightly younger? 403 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,893 You know, what's that age underneath it?" 404 00:21:00,993 --> 00:21:03,029 Then we started thinking about Keanu. 405 00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:06,665 Keanu's agent is Basil's best friend from childhood and my first boss. 406 00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:10,303 And he was like, you know, "Keanu is looking for something." 407 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:16,075 He just did 47 Ronin and was just finished shooting Man of Tai Chi. 408 00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:19,779 He's ready to lean into his movie star-ness. 409 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:22,214 'Cause the thing about Keanu, and a lot of actors like this, 410 00:21:22,382 --> 00:21:25,284 but especially Keanu, when he feels like he's repeating himself, 411 00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:27,219 he runs the other way. 412 00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:29,589 And sometimes you have to get an actor 413 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:33,426 when he or she is ready to give the audience what they want. 414 00:21:33,593 --> 00:21:36,095 And Keanu was at a moment in time where he's like, 415 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:38,598 "I'm ready to be an action star again." 416 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:42,902 And so we met, and soon afterwards, he attached himself to the project. 417 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,840 We took about six months of developing the script 418 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,477 with Keanu's notes with Derek Kolstad. 419 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,645 We spent a lot of time together on that first one, 420 00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:56,282 and it was slow going, like page, line by line. 421 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:59,919 He spent just as much time on other people's dialogue as he did on himself. 422 00:22:00,086 --> 00:22:04,256 At a certain point, it was like, "Okay, how much longer could this go?" 423 00:22:04,391 --> 00:22:06,493 We could develop this forever. 424 00:22:06,893 --> 00:22:08,860 And then, always-- there's always an inflection point on these movies, right, 425 00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:11,498 in development, when you develop with an actor, where you go, 426 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,533 "Okay, can we bring a director on?" 427 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,436 And he said yes. 428 00:22:16,603 --> 00:22:20,139 But in the period of our development, couple things happened, unfortunately. 429 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,742 47 Ronin came out, and it didn't do well. 430 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:25,778 Man of Tai Chi came out and disappointed. 431 00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:30,517 So the narrative that Keanu Reeves is an action star just evaporated. 432 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,986 And all of a sudden, our director list went from here to like here. 433 00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:38,558 We're gonna have to really work hard to find a proper director for this. 434 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,793 Keanu was like, "Listen, I'm gonna give the movie 435 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,996 to Chad and Dave for second unit. They're action directors. 436 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:46,566 What if they directed?" 437 00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:51,838 So, from my notes from an email, in the forensics of John Wick, 438 00:22:51,938 --> 00:22:53,540 you met with Basil. 439 00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:56,942 I wanted you and Dave pitched to them to be the directors 440 00:22:56,943 --> 00:23:00,312 on April 29th, 2013. 441 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,415 A week before, you had sent me the script. 442 00:23:02,615 --> 00:23:03,883 Yeah. And we had talked. 443 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:05,651 And we had talked. Well, you had sent it to me 444 00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:08,320 for the action. For the action. Yeah. 445 00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:10,490 I was like, "Yeah"-- Well, no, I had called for action, 446 00:23:10,657 --> 00:23:13,359 but then I think you came back to me saying, 447 00:23:13,526 --> 00:23:15,762 "Dave and I would like to direct it." 448 00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:18,264 Oh, no. I think you smiled and went, "Yeah, that's why you're..." 449 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:20,500 Yeah. And so, then I was like, Basil-- 450 00:23:20,667 --> 00:23:23,703 You were manipulating us. I was... 451 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:25,104 But I was hoping. 452 00:23:25,472 --> 00:23:28,640 And then I saw from Basil's email to me, 453 00:23:28,641 --> 00:23:32,779 he wrote, "Best directors meeting he's had." 454 00:23:32,979 --> 00:23:35,548 We put together this incredible lookbook here, 455 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:41,120 and we started to sort of build the worlds of John Wick in the way we saw it. 456 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,592 It was a lot more stylized than I think anyone saw on the page. 457 00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:48,728 Peace. He's looking for peace. Look at that shot of Keanu. 458 00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:50,630 Emotional connection. 459 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:52,599 See, we said all the right things. 460 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,467 We talked about it being a modern fable. 461 00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:57,269 We talked about this sort of visual minimalism. 462 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,939 She knew he needed an attachment. 463 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:03,743 Yep. And that was a whole week of casting for Daisy. 464 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:06,579 We wanted to have a world of, like, fun cars. 465 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:11,784 We wanted to have sort of our exploration of action and gun fu. 466 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:14,787 Yeah, and again, sort of the love letter to graphic novels 467 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:17,089 and anime and all of that that we love. 468 00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:20,827 Transformation. Guns, lots of guns. 469 00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:25,164 Boogeyman. World. New York City. The Continental. 470 00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:26,364 They just didn't talk about the action. 471 00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:27,967 They talked about the emotion 472 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,368 about what the world looked like and about everything. 473 00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:32,038 I was blown away. 474 00:24:32,438 --> 00:24:35,507 This is-- It's a pretty damn good lookbook. 475 00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:38,978 You have to remember, we saw John Wick as like this tiny little thing. 476 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,781 Two stunt guys directing, like, "No one's ever gonna see this thing, so fuck it. 477 00:24:41,948 --> 00:24:45,618 We'll just try some weird ideas. We'll use it like as a training exercise." 478 00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:49,121 And, you know, then they said yes. 479 00:24:49,288 --> 00:24:51,858 And now we're like, "We better know what we're doing." 480 00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:55,261 I remember thinking, "Oh, my God, we got these two great action guys 481 00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,195 before anyone else can get them. 482 00:24:57,196 --> 00:24:58,965 What a home run." 483 00:24:59,431 --> 00:25:01,567 And I'll never forget, like three weeks after we hire them, 484 00:25:01,568 --> 00:25:04,303 Ed Pressman, the famous Ed Pressman who's since passed away, 485 00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:06,639 calls me about something else. 486 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:10,009 And he goes, "You stole my directors." I'm like, "What do you mean?" 487 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:13,145 "Yeah, we're about to go into prep on a movie that I was producing. 488 00:25:13,312 --> 00:25:14,513 They were gonna direct it." 489 00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:15,747 I'm like, "What movie?" 490 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:17,416 And they're like... 491 00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:20,518 It was a movie like Midnight Run with Jean-Claude Van Damme 492 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,622 and PSY from "Gangnam Style." 493 00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:25,792 And I'm like, "Those are the directors I got? That was the other option?" 494 00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:32,031 Uh, the shorter the beard is, the harder it is to make it look real. 495 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:33,800 Well, we would want it to be a bushy one. 496 00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:35,234 Okay. Right, right. 497 00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:39,005 I mean, we have to make some hard choices. 498 00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:41,908 I mean, I was just like pulling, like what is-- 499 00:25:42,108 --> 00:25:44,343 I didn't know what exactly. 500 00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:46,813 Are they more in this happiness? 501 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:48,480 Yes, this is more in their happiness. 502 00:25:48,648 --> 00:25:49,849 We're hoping for that. Okay, okay. 503 00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:51,651 And of course, what I worry about this is, 504 00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:54,887 you can see it on this side, is how patchy that beard is. 505 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:56,689 I mean, that doesn't bother me. 506 00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:58,725 If you guys can live with that, because if we get that short, 507 00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:00,326 I can't add hairs to fill that in. 508 00:26:00,492 --> 00:26:01,928 That doesn't bother me. This bothers me. 509 00:26:02,294 --> 00:26:03,629 Anything we do is gonna get a picture taken 510 00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:05,231 and sent to people making a decision. 511 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,365 They'll approve and we'll figure it out. 512 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:08,000 We want the beard. 513 00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:09,869 The distributor wants him not to have a beard. 514 00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:13,004 Like he's supposed to be the Keanu Reeves of The Matrix. 515 00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:15,708 And we're afraid to shave it off because, you know, 516 00:26:15,875 --> 00:26:19,045 he's done that look a million times. 517 00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,281 Unfortunately, they're distributing the movie and have sold it foreign, 518 00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,751 and they know what their people want, so... 519 00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:27,453 I guess nobody cares what we want. Asia hates beards. 520 00:26:27,654 --> 00:26:29,288 I know. 521 00:26:29,488 --> 00:26:30,923 Asia hates-- That's what they said. 522 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:32,258 If we leave a beard, no one's gonna see the movie. 523 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,760 The movie's gonna flop. 524 00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:35,928 Can't be a first-time director-- 525 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,098 "First-time directors, you want to hang it out there and have a beard? Okay." 526 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,969 Bye-bye, John Wick. 527 00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:46,272 Partial bye-bye. We're not going bye-bye all the way yet. 528 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:48,641 Yeah, no. It's like, "Hello, new John Wick." 529 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:57,583 So, this is the next guard down. 530 00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:00,586 Still looks like a beard. 531 00:27:00,787 --> 00:27:02,755 That's what I'm concerned about too, and what they're gonna think. 532 00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:06,058 Looks just like a beard. 533 00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:08,494 Go to the next level? Gotta go to the next level. 534 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,629 Go one more down? 535 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,164 Well, that's beard. 536 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,802 We're all just like, holding on. I know. 537 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:19,005 They were pretty straightforward about... 538 00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:20,306 No beard. Yeah. 539 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:21,440 Yeah. 540 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:33,252 We're going to get action out of the hair. 541 00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:35,021 Gotta get it a little bushy. 542 00:27:36,622 --> 00:27:37,656 A little... 543 00:27:41,427 --> 00:27:42,594 Okay. 544 00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:48,367 Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it! 545 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:53,873 The suit definitely helps. 546 00:27:54,073 --> 00:27:55,507 It's all about the suit. 547 00:27:56,943 --> 00:27:58,477 It's all about the suit. 548 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,185 Tomorrow will be the first day, right? 549 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,820 Tomorrow will be the first day. 550 00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:09,822 Tomorrow will be the first day of photography. 551 00:28:09,989 --> 00:28:13,225 We are looking at the John Wick house, 552 00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:16,462 and it's sort of three-quarters of the way dressed. 553 00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:19,165 And we're gonna block some scenes here 554 00:28:19,331 --> 00:28:22,168 and be ready to shoot tomorrow, hopefully. 555 00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:23,569 We're getting on with it. 556 00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:30,476 What does it say? 557 00:28:31,343 --> 00:28:33,045 We're shooting on Monday? 558 00:28:34,814 --> 00:28:36,315 Oh. Peter Lawson. 559 00:28:39,852 --> 00:28:40,887 Pete. 560 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:44,723 I'm great. I just got the email. 561 00:28:46,292 --> 00:28:49,762 We are temporarily shut down until further notice. 562 00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:52,531 It seems our equity investor 563 00:28:52,698 --> 00:28:56,769 who had to come up with the 6.5 to cover the gap, 564 00:28:56,969 --> 00:29:00,106 um, he's five and a half short. 565 00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:06,112 We had some financiers coming in to gap finance 566 00:29:06,312 --> 00:29:09,381 because Lionsgate presold the international, 567 00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:12,551 but there was still a delta of what we needed to make the movie. 568 00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:15,621 No one was ready to get onboard for the domestic. 569 00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:17,857 So it was really something that, you know, 570 00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:19,926 we were gonna have to figure out how to find the money. 571 00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:23,262 I mean, maybe if we get Lionsgate onboard, 572 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:27,033 and they take the domestic, and we could keep moving forward, 573 00:29:27,199 --> 00:29:29,401 but I doubt it at this point. 574 00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:31,637 I think everyone's just gonna have to take a kick in the nuts, 575 00:29:31,838 --> 00:29:33,940 and it's all probably gonna fall apart. 576 00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:36,408 That's what I think. 577 00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:42,281 I think this is, uh, the nail in the coffin. So... 578 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,951 You think so, really? Yeah, I do. 579 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:47,319 Wait, hold on. No, I mean, I do. 580 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,655 I'm not trying to be dramatic for, you know, 581 00:29:49,856 --> 00:29:51,924 editorial reasons for our documentary, 582 00:29:52,091 --> 00:29:56,428 but I don't know how you find six-and-a-half million dollars by Monday. 583 00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:05,671 What little I know of Basil, I know he's not a quitter, so... 584 00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:08,274 He's a bit of a fighter, so we're not dead yet. 585 00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:13,012 We are doomed. I mean, we are completely fucked. 586 00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:17,416 We just had a gigantic hole. There was just... The money wasn't coming. 587 00:30:17,583 --> 00:30:22,154 And I spoke to my lawyer and I'm like, "Well, say, if this movie falls apart, 588 00:30:22,254 --> 00:30:23,722 who's gonna sue me?" 589 00:30:24,056 --> 00:30:28,126 And he's like, "IATSE, SAG, the WGA, DGA." This... 590 00:30:28,127 --> 00:30:29,929 It was, like, horrendous. 591 00:30:30,362 --> 00:30:32,097 And he's like, "Listen, you gotta just get this movie made." 592 00:30:32,098 --> 00:30:33,699 Say if I was to give you like six million-- 593 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,367 Hey, hon? Can I call you back? 594 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,004 I got Keanu on the other line, so I need to talk to him. 595 00:30:38,938 --> 00:30:40,539 Thanks, hon. Bye. 596 00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:43,775 Hang on one second. He's on the phone. 597 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:45,511 Hello. 598 00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,316 What's going on? How you doing? 599 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:55,687 Nice. Did Basil give you a call? 600 00:30:58,925 --> 00:31:01,860 He did not, huh? You haven't talked to anybody in the office? 601 00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:06,899 Excellent. They're probably stalling on him. 602 00:31:09,768 --> 00:31:11,837 It's... Yeah, I... Fucking... 603 00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:15,740 I'm a little annoyed, so I think I'll just tell you myself. 604 00:31:15,741 --> 00:31:17,676 They've had a problem with their gap finance. 605 00:31:17,843 --> 00:31:19,545 They're coming in. 606 00:31:19,811 --> 00:31:22,181 We've recalled everybody, and they've pushed us again. 607 00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:26,318 I'm sure they're scrambling trying to figure something out. 608 00:31:26,485 --> 00:31:28,587 We have a few options around. 609 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:32,091 Luckily, we know a few people, so we'll try and close the gap as fast as we can. 610 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:37,096 So we'll get back to the office probably in the next 45 minutes, 611 00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:40,199 storm into the office and try to retake the beach. 612 00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:43,835 What did Keanu say? 613 00:31:46,172 --> 00:31:49,508 You know, Keanu is a little different. 614 00:31:49,675 --> 00:31:51,710 When he yells and screams, it's a good thing. 615 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:55,881 When he gets really, really, really quiet... 616 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:57,616 Was he getting really quiet? 617 00:31:57,816 --> 00:32:00,886 He was the most quiet I've ever heard him. 618 00:32:11,163 --> 00:32:13,465 I reckon we'll lose about 20% of the crew. 619 00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,635 There's already people gone. 620 00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:18,537 A big part of the production office 621 00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,139 just stopped coming in to work. 622 00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:22,108 But then another part of the production office came in, 623 00:32:22,274 --> 00:32:23,742 and they would come in my office, and like, 624 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:26,212 "Do you feel confident the money will come?" 625 00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:28,247 And I'm like, "I do." 626 00:32:28,414 --> 00:32:34,253 Uh, now, I was lying because I had no idea. 627 00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:37,889 So much so, I had to give my credit card to the costume designer 628 00:32:38,057 --> 00:32:42,094 to buy wardrobe, and it was really, really, really dodgy. 629 00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:47,832 Any chance of reducing the budget by six-and-a-half million dollars 630 00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:49,135 and making the movie happen? 631 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,337 That script would look radically different, 632 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:54,406 and then you'd have to go back to all of your international buyers 633 00:32:54,573 --> 00:33:00,746 and go, "Hey, you paid us, you know, 250,000 for the rights in Germany, 634 00:33:00,912 --> 00:33:02,848 but this is the script you're getting now." 635 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:05,984 And then everyone can go, "I don't want that script. 636 00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:07,953 - I wanted the one that I bought." - Right. 637 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,089 And so, you kind of have to keep the integrity. 638 00:33:10,256 --> 00:33:11,823 You can change it. 639 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:13,692 Slightly, but not-- 640 00:33:13,892 --> 00:33:16,028 Yeah. Six million dollars. 641 00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:22,668 Keanu gave back money, Chad and I gave back money. 642 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:26,372 Like, we all gave back money of our salaries to try and close the gap. 643 00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:29,641 I think Keanu had to defer and write a check... 644 00:33:29,808 --> 00:33:31,343 Yeah. Some of that going on. 645 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:33,279 ...just to keep our department heads. 646 00:33:34,313 --> 00:33:35,881 I remember I would walk to my hotel 647 00:33:36,082 --> 00:33:39,485 from the production office for hours because I was like, 648 00:33:39,651 --> 00:33:43,389 "I need to get so tired so when I get back to the hotel, I pass out." 649 00:33:43,589 --> 00:33:45,991 Because if I don't, I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna be like, 650 00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:48,026 "I'm fucked, I'm fucked, I'm fucked, I'm fucked." 651 00:33:48,194 --> 00:33:49,495 We gotta fucking start. 652 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,863 If we don't have guys on planes by Monday, 653 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:54,566 you might as well cut the end sequence. It's gonna be a gunfight. 654 00:33:56,302 --> 00:33:58,470 We've already pushed for seven days 655 00:33:58,637 --> 00:34:03,008 and that's like a half million dollars' worth of money 656 00:34:03,175 --> 00:34:05,377 that just went out the fucking window 657 00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:10,182 when the mo-- when we were 600 short to start. 658 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:12,684 It's a fucking mess. 659 00:34:16,455 --> 00:34:20,492 And then, out of nowhere, the money came through. 660 00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:30,402 Should be fully financed by tomorrow. 661 00:34:32,371 --> 00:34:34,206 Ready to shoot on Friday. 662 00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:37,008 We were blessed. 663 00:34:37,176 --> 00:34:40,212 It was insane that we pulled this off in the amount of time we did. 664 00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:42,614 It's gonna be... This movie's about vengeance. 665 00:34:42,814 --> 00:34:44,350 Not John Wick's. 666 00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:46,017 Ours. 667 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:47,853 And then we find out while we're shooting 668 00:34:48,019 --> 00:34:49,755 that the money was never from this guy, 669 00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:51,623 but it was Eva Longoria's money. 670 00:34:51,823 --> 00:34:56,762 And I didn't tell Keanu until after the movie wrapped 671 00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,198 because I didn't want him to be like, "What the hell is going on here?" 672 00:34:59,398 --> 00:35:02,201 So yeah, if you look at John Wick 1, 673 00:35:02,368 --> 00:35:06,037 Eva Longoria, thank God, pretty much saved the movie. 674 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,608 We got through it, 675 00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,377 but I think that it broke a little bit of Chad and Dave's spirit 676 00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:14,746 because they were first-time directors, 677 00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:18,049 and they didn't realize that sometimes this is the game. 678 00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:20,286 Things happen, especially in independent movies. 679 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:25,157 And so, we went into shooting the movie. We were already exhausted as we started. 680 00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,427 I mean, I remember when I got to New York, and I... 681 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:30,762 You know, I like to visit the production office. 682 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,598 See what's going on. Yeah. 683 00:35:33,031 --> 00:35:37,335 And I took John Saunders, who was the first AD, and I was like, 684 00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:39,805 "John, let's look at the board," you know, the shooting schedule. 685 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,907 I remember that. You wanted to see the schedule. 686 00:35:42,073 --> 00:35:43,942 Yeah. You're a schedule whore. 687 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:46,845 And I was just like, "How are we... We can't shoot that. 688 00:35:47,045 --> 00:35:48,280 Like, how are we gonna do that?" 689 00:35:48,447 --> 00:35:49,781 I remember you just were shaking your head. 690 00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:51,850 I was like, "No, we need more days." 691 00:35:52,251 --> 00:35:54,686 And he's like, "I know." I'm like, "We need to get more days." 692 00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:58,624 We could not wrap our head around what could go. 693 00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:00,526 How do we do that? How do we do this? 694 00:36:00,726 --> 00:36:03,762 And Keanu couldn't, and the writer couldn't, 695 00:36:03,929 --> 00:36:05,797 and the producers couldn't. 696 00:36:06,298 --> 00:36:08,767 So we're like, "We're just gonna make the movie with less time." 697 00:36:09,901 --> 00:36:11,870 You know, we laugh and joke about it's just a movie, 698 00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:15,173 but we all know, every crew member knows that you take it really seriously. 699 00:36:15,341 --> 00:36:17,309 You wanna do the best job you can. 700 00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:19,278 You don't wanna let down the people that stuck their neck out for you, 701 00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:21,313 so you put a lot of pressure on yourself to do it. 702 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,284 I mean, at the end of the day, we had known Keanu for like the ten years, 703 00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:27,986 eight years at the time from all the Matrixes. 704 00:36:28,153 --> 00:36:29,955 But it's still Keanu Reeves. 705 00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:31,657 You don't wanna let this guy down. Like, he's a pro, man. 706 00:36:31,823 --> 00:36:33,292 This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves. 707 00:36:33,459 --> 00:36:34,826 Like, you do not wanna let him down 708 00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:37,963 no matter what you think the movie's gonna be. 709 00:36:38,129 --> 00:36:40,866 So we decided to give it our all and put a lot of stress on ourselves. 710 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,302 Guys, gotta keep moving. Gotta keep moving. 711 00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:45,070 Rolling! Rolling! 712 00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:47,506 Action! 713 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,345 We were just assaulted with problems. 714 00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:54,646 Go, go, go. 715 00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,047 Shoot, shoot. 716 00:37:01,353 --> 00:37:03,322 Problems from different departments 717 00:37:03,489 --> 00:37:04,656 and then budgetary problems. 718 00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:06,992 Gotta figure out what scenes we can cut. 719 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,663 The usual on John Wick, what scenes we can cut. 720 00:37:12,798 --> 00:37:14,366 'Cause we never have time to shoot 'em all. 721 00:37:15,801 --> 00:37:18,270 In low-budget filmmaking, you have to be in your own movies. 722 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:21,340 I would like to say this was a creative choice, but it was budgetary. 723 00:37:21,507 --> 00:37:23,775 And then logistically shooting in New York problems. 724 00:37:23,975 --> 00:37:26,678 Excuse me, you gotta keep moving. Active walkway. 725 00:37:29,381 --> 00:37:31,917 I think it was just the movie gods hated us. 726 00:37:32,117 --> 00:37:35,621 So we are on the cover of the New York Post today. 727 00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:40,058 Vinny's fine work in the prop department is featured. 728 00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:43,228 Makeup's fine work. Hair's fine work. 729 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:47,533 The all-hands-on-deck... - That really helps. 730 00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:50,135 ...on John Wick 1 was extraordinary. 731 00:37:50,336 --> 00:37:54,139 When we went in to start crewing up, I mean, we were a tiny little movie. 732 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:58,310 No one was sure if we were gonna go. So, we couldn't really book a lot of crew. 733 00:37:58,510 --> 00:38:00,211 So, it was catch-as-catch-can with the crew. 734 00:38:00,379 --> 00:38:02,581 We just take interviews and whoever was kind of available, 735 00:38:02,748 --> 00:38:04,215 whatever we... You know. 736 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:05,751 People had to cut their rates. 737 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,053 And then for the prop department 738 00:38:08,219 --> 00:38:11,957 we got, no joke, Vinny Mazzarella and Joey. 739 00:38:12,057 --> 00:38:13,925 Yeah, Joey Coppola. Joey Coppola. 740 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,362 I mean, Vinny Mazzarella and Joey Coppola, those were our prop masters. 741 00:38:17,363 --> 00:38:21,066 And they were just the coolest guys, and they just got it. 742 00:38:21,232 --> 00:38:25,437 I mean, Vinny, like, stopping-- Like, we needed a garbage truck. 743 00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:29,240 And he's running on the street. He's running down the street. 744 00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:32,010 2:00 a.m. in Chinatown in New York on John Wick 2, 745 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:35,814 we decided we wanted a garbage truck to come in the alley and back like-- 746 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:37,649 Yeah, back John Wick up. 747 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,751 Vinny just said, "What do you guys got in your pockets?" 748 00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:41,286 We gave him a couple twenties. Yeah. 749 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,589 He came back in five minutes with a garbage truck. 750 00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:45,290 With a garbage truck. 751 00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:47,626 He paid the city garbage truck driver a hundred bucks. 752 00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:51,997 I mean, you make connections on films, 753 00:38:52,431 --> 00:38:54,532 but the connections that were made on this were really special. 754 00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,201 They were pretty good. Yeah, we got lucky. 755 00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:58,303 Personal and creative. Yep. 756 00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:00,138 You know? Good people. 757 00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:03,442 Loving, who love their work, who are amazing at what they do. 758 00:39:03,609 --> 00:39:05,444 And they love the pain. 759 00:39:05,611 --> 00:39:07,345 And they-- And who love the pain. 760 00:39:07,513 --> 00:39:09,214 They love to suffer. 761 00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:23,829 Literally the day before we started shooting, 762 00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:27,899 I saw Chad in the corner like brooding, angry. 763 00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:29,901 I went to Dave, I'm like, "What's Chad upset about? 764 00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:32,303 Like, somebody from the movie?" He's like, "No, it's his wife," 765 00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:34,540 and this and that. I'm like, "What do you mean?" 766 00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:36,408 He's like, "Yeah, I think they're separating." 767 00:39:36,608 --> 00:39:38,710 I'm like, "Now?" This movie? 768 00:39:38,877 --> 00:39:42,047 We just got through hell financing the movie. 769 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,248 I wasn't getting paid. 770 00:39:43,449 --> 00:39:44,816 Not only was I not getting paid, 771 00:39:44,983 --> 00:39:47,719 I took money out of our house to fill some holes. 772 00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:49,688 And I'm like, "How can this be? 773 00:39:49,855 --> 00:39:52,157 How many more hits can this movie take?" 774 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:54,926 Hey. Hey. How are you? 775 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:56,862 And I spoke to Chad about it. 776 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:58,363 I'm just like, "I don't care what you're going through. 777 00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,965 You gotta just suck it up and get through this." 778 00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:02,868 And he's like, "Absolutely, don't worry about it." 779 00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:05,571 He's like, "I'll be dark and self-loathing in private." 780 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:10,075 We went through a horrible breakup. 781 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,578 So I did the whole movie separated from Heidi. 782 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:15,947 When he's locked in on something, 783 00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:19,851 when he's focused, it's really hard to penetrate the wall, right? 784 00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:23,689 So, I think in a relationship, you know, it's hard, 785 00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:26,625 because when you're looking for an emotional connection, 786 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:30,128 or you're looking for some kind of, you know, something, 787 00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:33,031 and he's just laser focused on something, you can't get through. 788 00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:34,866 She felt she needed something more, 789 00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:37,302 and fortunately I agreed with her. 790 00:40:37,503 --> 00:40:39,104 And then we managed to get back together again, 791 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,574 of course after post when I have all this time, 792 00:40:42,774 --> 00:40:47,145 only to get divorced on John Wick 2. 793 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:50,616 So, you can see I'm laughing at my own complete ineptitude 794 00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,484 to sort that out and balance my life. 795 00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,823 What was really frustrating for me was that, 796 00:40:58,023 --> 00:40:59,925 when we got our one fucking chance 797 00:41:00,091 --> 00:41:03,161 that I personally had been working on potentially a lot harder than you 798 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:07,265 to get out there in the director world, and you're gonna blow it up. 799 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,803 It was hard for me to be empathetic 'cause it didn't feel fair. 800 00:41:11,937 --> 00:41:13,872 Two weeks in, Basil called me on a Sunday and was like, 801 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,975 "You need to be in New York. These two are not talking to each other." 802 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,445 I actually thought that two first-time directors 803 00:41:20,612 --> 00:41:22,981 would be better than one first-time director because, 804 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:26,251 you know, two sets of hands, you get more done than one set of hands. 805 00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,453 Their disagreements seemed like it was a progression 806 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:30,656 through the course of shooting. 807 00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:35,193 It's almost like the outside enemy of getting the film produced was gone, 808 00:41:35,393 --> 00:41:37,195 so now the infighting could start. 809 00:41:37,395 --> 00:41:41,266 I remember they spent an hour fighting over colors of bedsheets. 810 00:41:41,432 --> 00:41:44,369 Fucking, it's supposed to be a fucking cool, hip place where you wanna be. 811 00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:48,974 And it's like a fucking lavender purple fucking thing. 812 00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:51,509 You know, in retrospect, I was naive to be surprised. 813 00:41:51,677 --> 00:41:53,378 I think we probably argued every day. 814 00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:55,045 But I don't think it was an actual argument. 815 00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:57,015 I think it was we were both stressed out, 816 00:41:57,482 --> 00:41:59,383 and we kind of took it out each other 'cause when you love each other, 817 00:41:59,384 --> 00:42:00,986 those are the people you take it out on first. 818 00:42:01,152 --> 00:42:02,888 You know what, do your fucking job. 819 00:42:03,254 --> 00:42:06,123 Making that movie was like watching my parents get divorced. 820 00:42:06,124 --> 00:42:09,961 We would wrap at like 3:00 in the morning, and I would like cry walking home, 821 00:42:10,128 --> 00:42:11,730 being like, "What is this?" 822 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:14,199 It's horrible, man. 823 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:17,869 It's like Mom and Dad fighting all the time. I'm gonna need counseling. 824 00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:19,671 They're busy thinking. 825 00:42:19,838 --> 00:42:21,707 I think they're working out their information for the day 826 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:24,009 in their heads, maybe. 827 00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:26,177 At least that's what I'm hoping that they're doing during the silence. 828 00:42:26,277 --> 00:42:29,581 It wasn't about creativity. It was about management styles. 829 00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:31,216 And I think that Chad, 830 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:34,318 he gets a lot of juice by blowing things up for a second 831 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,555 and then having people run to put them back together. 832 00:42:37,723 --> 00:42:40,025 And I just don't operate that way. 833 00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:43,528 Do you like this or do you like that? 834 00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:47,699 Does he put anything in his... He takes his coffee black? 835 00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:49,935 Black like his snot. Like his soul. 836 00:42:50,135 --> 00:42:51,269 Like his soul. 837 00:42:51,469 --> 00:42:53,104 How about that. 838 00:42:53,304 --> 00:42:54,773 Is he a single serving kinda guy? 839 00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:58,543 The irony of John Wick 1 was Chad and Dave were really, 840 00:42:58,677 --> 00:43:00,746 really, really comfortable with the action sequences. 841 00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:03,014 The dramatic sequences and the acting sequences, 842 00:43:03,181 --> 00:43:05,050 they were less so, because they'd never really done it. 843 00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:08,186 And so, it was a strange paradox from what you usually deal with 844 00:43:08,353 --> 00:43:10,121 from first-time directors. 845 00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,223 Usually, first-time directors get overwhelmed by action sequences, 846 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:15,460 and the performance stuff comes naturally. It was flipped on this movie. 847 00:43:15,661 --> 00:43:18,229 I think we shot inside the house for like nine days, or seven days. 848 00:43:18,396 --> 00:43:20,899 Yeah. No, we camped out there. There was a lot of John Wick moping around, 849 00:43:21,066 --> 00:43:23,101 and we're like, "This is the character." 850 00:43:23,234 --> 00:43:24,736 Remember how much we did? Yeah. 851 00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,705 Because he's breaking up you two, right? 852 00:43:27,706 --> 00:43:28,907 He's breaking up your... 853 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,708 Dave and I were so nervous 854 00:43:30,709 --> 00:43:32,610 that they were only going to see us as stunt guys. 855 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:34,612 We can't focus on the action. We have to focus about the acting, 856 00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:37,082 and the emotion, and the pain that this man is suffering. 857 00:43:37,248 --> 00:43:41,086 So we spent nine days of a very small budget, 858 00:43:41,252 --> 00:43:44,622 very small schedule movie of Keanu moping around, 859 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:47,926 of Keanu cleaning out the closet and packing his wife's clothes up, 860 00:43:48,093 --> 00:43:50,996 and sitting there staring into the darkness and the abyss. 861 00:43:51,196 --> 00:43:55,466 I remember like on day three, Keanu didn't say a word for three days. 862 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:57,168 He'd wake up, 863 00:43:57,368 --> 00:43:58,469 brush his teeth, 864 00:43:58,636 --> 00:43:59,738 look into a mirror, 865 00:43:59,905 --> 00:44:01,006 go across the floor, 866 00:44:01,206 --> 00:44:02,340 fill a dog bowl, 867 00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:03,641 say, "Come over here," 868 00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:05,143 wake up, 869 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:07,779 and the footage was like mind-numbingly boring. 870 00:44:07,946 --> 00:44:09,414 And it was endless. 871 00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:11,783 You have a lot of John Wick eating cereal by himself. 872 00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:14,152 Book making, right? Remember he did book restoration? 873 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:17,322 I forgot that. We wanted to show something, that he's very precise... 874 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:18,990 Precise. Methodical. 875 00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:22,427 So we shot for like two days of Keanu doing bookbinding. 876 00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:26,097 That's how terrified we were of being pigeonholed as action guys. 877 00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,466 Oh, the kick in the head. 878 00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:32,137 I like this reaction. I do too. 879 00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:35,540 You don't see that reaction a lot with, you know, like that kind of spasmy thing. 880 00:44:35,741 --> 00:44:38,476 You know, you fucking vapor lock when you're in fucking pain. 881 00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:41,713 - Oh, right, killing the dog. - Yeah. 882 00:44:43,782 --> 00:44:45,483 Oof. 883 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:47,819 You should have heard that test screening the first time. Oof. 884 00:44:47,986 --> 00:44:49,554 Never won that audience back. 885 00:44:49,755 --> 00:44:51,289 Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah. 886 00:44:51,456 --> 00:44:53,191 Our first test screening-- 887 00:44:53,358 --> 00:44:55,226 How'd that go? That dog-- That dog went. 888 00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:57,228 The audience went quiet, 889 00:44:57,428 --> 00:44:59,497 and people were walking out. 890 00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:02,333 The movie was still pretty rough. It was still really long. 891 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,902 But yeah, it got weird. 892 00:45:04,102 --> 00:45:08,974 It is one of the most famous principles in Hollywood 893 00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:10,541 is you never kill a dog. 894 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,911 As soon as a dog is killed, 895 00:45:13,111 --> 00:45:18,016 you almost always are losing a big chunk of the audience. 896 00:45:18,183 --> 00:45:21,152 Oh, yeah, the blood shot. Yeah, blood shot. 897 00:45:21,319 --> 00:45:24,522 The puppy crawled his way back to his owner before he died. 898 00:45:25,857 --> 00:45:27,425 When these dailies got back, 899 00:45:27,625 --> 00:45:29,660 we actually got a stern talking to about, 900 00:45:29,828 --> 00:45:33,564 "Oh, fuck, you guys. What are you-- like, what the fuck are you guys doing?" 901 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,066 You cannot kill the dog. 902 00:45:36,067 --> 00:45:39,204 "You're doing puppy porn, like, gore." 903 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:42,407 I'm like, "No, man, we got the baby lens on. It's going to be really artistic." 904 00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:45,710 They're like, "The puppy's intestines are on the floor." 905 00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:47,512 I'm like, "It's not intestines. It's just blood." 906 00:45:47,678 --> 00:45:49,414 We had a whole argument about that shot. 907 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:52,750 I remember shooting the dog's death, 908 00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:57,122 and Keanu was on the floor crying with this stuffed beagle. 909 00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:00,025 And at that moment, you're like, 910 00:46:00,191 --> 00:46:02,627 "This is either genius or, 911 00:46:02,828 --> 00:46:04,529 like, the worst thing I've ever made." 912 00:46:04,695 --> 00:46:05,897 We always knew we were gonna do it. 913 00:46:06,064 --> 00:46:07,565 Oh, yeah. I mean, it's the movie. 914 00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:09,100 There were others that kept trying to talk us out of it, 915 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,568 but we're like, "No, we got to kill the"-- 916 00:46:11,002 --> 00:46:12,702 You got to-- Where's the movie? 917 00:46:12,703 --> 00:46:14,772 Yeah, we didn't have a movie without the puppy. 918 00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:17,708 No, you got to kill the puppy so you're killing the attachment. 919 00:46:17,843 --> 00:46:20,045 But I think there was more talks about that. 920 00:46:20,211 --> 00:46:21,880 There was that and then killing Alfie at the end. 921 00:46:22,047 --> 00:46:24,249 You can't just kill Alfie Allen cold-blooded like we did, 922 00:46:24,415 --> 00:46:26,051 'cause that's pretty icy fucking cold. 923 00:46:26,217 --> 00:46:29,054 Iosef, got to go. You can't kill the puppy. 924 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:30,588 And his wife-- Puppy's gotta go. 925 00:46:30,755 --> 00:46:32,723 And his wife has to-- We have to find out 926 00:46:32,891 --> 00:46:34,625 that his wife was poisoned by the bad guys. 927 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:36,394 No, the wife has to die. 928 00:46:36,561 --> 00:46:39,330 Those were the three notes we got back from certain peoples. 929 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:43,234 Even the night we were doing the puppy, we knew we had something good when-- 930 00:46:43,401 --> 00:46:45,570 I think because we shot that push-in over the blood first. 931 00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:46,972 Yeah. 932 00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:48,639 And then, you're just petting the puppy. 933 00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:49,807 Yeah. 934 00:46:49,975 --> 00:46:50,909 We're like, "That's awesome. 935 00:46:51,076 --> 00:46:52,443 That's going in the movie." 936 00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:54,479 And there was a lot of talk behind monitors that, 937 00:46:54,645 --> 00:46:57,949 like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot a second... a second version." 938 00:46:58,116 --> 00:47:00,118 Chad wasn't much of a dog person back then. 939 00:47:00,285 --> 00:47:02,420 Now he's got dogs, and he's a dog person, 940 00:47:02,587 --> 00:47:04,489 and he's embraced them, and he's done movies with dogs, 941 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,357 and he's trained them since they were puppies, 942 00:47:06,557 --> 00:47:09,194 and they bite people in the neck and the balls and shit. 943 00:47:09,394 --> 00:47:11,796 But he never had dogs back in John Wick. 944 00:47:11,963 --> 00:47:13,598 Like, he wouldn't go, like, 945 00:47:13,764 --> 00:47:16,501 "Chad's gonna direct this heartwarming movie about a dog, 946 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:18,036 a guy and his dog." 947 00:47:18,236 --> 00:47:20,505 That would have not been Chad's first choice. 948 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,441 Which is partly why it was so easy to kill the dog, maybe. 949 00:47:23,608 --> 00:47:26,377 He was just like, "We just get rid of the dog, 950 00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,213 then I don't have to direct a dog." 951 00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:29,480 And now it's funny. 952 00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,615 All there are are dogs. 953 00:47:31,616 --> 00:47:33,684 If that's the journey that Chad's taken away, 954 00:47:33,919 --> 00:47:37,155 like he's become a dog lover, then I'm glad we created John Wick. 955 00:47:37,288 --> 00:47:40,391 Because it's huge for me. 956 00:47:40,591 --> 00:47:43,895 There's a guy that could be getting a bead on you here. 957 00:47:44,095 --> 00:47:45,830 Which is why you're hauling ass... 958 00:47:45,997 --> 00:47:48,366 Okay. It's more like, "Oh, fuck." 959 00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,803 Sometimes people ask us, "What shot in John Wick 1 is Dave's and what shot is yours?" 960 00:47:52,938 --> 00:47:56,141 I'm like, "I don't fucking know." Everything was a conversation. 961 00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,376 He'd be setting up A camera, I'm setting up B camera. 962 00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:00,979 It was just such an organic process. We'd worked together so many times. 963 00:48:01,146 --> 00:48:03,648 We just knew this is what we ought to do. We gotta get this done. Let's go. 964 00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:04,983 Let's come up with the best idea. 965 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,023 Dave had a much more grounded sensibility. 966 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:15,893 I was influenced more by Tolkien and Japanese anime and manga. 967 00:48:16,061 --> 00:48:19,097 And Dave wanted to be more grounded, gritty, emotional. 968 00:48:19,297 --> 00:48:20,498 We gotta make it painful. 969 00:48:20,665 --> 00:48:22,267 So we both saw the movie in different ways 970 00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,269 and we landed in that sweet spot. 971 00:48:24,469 --> 00:48:27,005 Especially in the time period with all the shaky cam stuff going on. 972 00:48:27,205 --> 00:48:29,107 That's why John Wick clicked. 973 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:34,612 Dave and Chad created that-- we called it the John Wick style, 974 00:48:34,812 --> 00:48:37,448 which was like long takes and 30-beat fight scenes 975 00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:41,019 where you're doing like judo/jujitsu with a gun in your hand. 976 00:48:41,186 --> 00:48:42,887 That was something created out of necessity 977 00:48:43,054 --> 00:48:45,356 because of lack of time and money. 978 00:48:45,523 --> 00:48:47,625 When you do the punches and kicks, you need the coverage, right? 979 00:48:47,825 --> 00:48:49,961 You need over the shoulder. You gotta sell the hit. 980 00:48:50,161 --> 00:48:51,696 And we just didn't have that kind of time. 981 00:48:51,862 --> 00:48:54,265 So we all talked about, "Well, how are we gonna do this?" 982 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:56,434 Well, we're gonna take judo and aikido and like-- 983 00:48:56,601 --> 00:48:58,303 Wick is kind of the guy that's going to grab you. 984 00:48:58,503 --> 00:49:00,771 If I got your collar... Yeah, you got him. 985 00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:02,273 ...it was over. Yeah, he got you. 986 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,874 It was over. 987 00:49:04,075 --> 00:49:05,543 But that's the vibe we wanted. It was over. 988 00:49:05,843 --> 00:49:08,945 It was just like if I got a collar, inside, anywhere, 989 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:12,717 if I got a collar coming-- it's just like, "We're going, bye." 990 00:49:12,883 --> 00:49:15,386 You have no choice. You're in the machine. 991 00:49:15,553 --> 00:49:19,090 You're going down. You're spinning. You're being twisted. 992 00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:21,592 But you had thought about using that before you did John Wick-- 993 00:49:21,726 --> 00:49:23,628 Yeah, we just never really had the character for it. 994 00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:27,664 You kind of implemented me into like, "Let's see if this can work." 995 00:49:27,665 --> 00:49:29,767 Yeah, well, we had-- Take actor. 996 00:49:29,934 --> 00:49:32,403 And experiment. And experiment. 997 00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:34,905 "Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know that guy. He'll come to train." 998 00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:38,576 We had the close-quarter choreography kind of worked out with the gun stuff. 999 00:49:38,743 --> 00:49:41,512 We just couldn't find the test subject. Yeah. 1000 00:49:41,712 --> 00:49:44,615 Once John Wick came about, Chad and Dave right away were like, 1001 00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:47,485 "Bring up the Safe footage. Bring up the Safe concepts. 1002 00:49:47,652 --> 00:49:48,686 That's Wick right there." 1003 00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:59,864 Back in the day, we used to do-- well, we still do. 1004 00:50:00,065 --> 00:50:01,666 We do a lot of Jason Statham films. 1005 00:50:01,866 --> 00:50:03,868 I remember there's one movie called Safe. 1006 00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:06,137 And we were designing concepts for that film. 1007 00:50:06,304 --> 00:50:12,043 And Chad challenged everybody to combine jujitsu and judo with gun stuff. 1008 00:50:12,243 --> 00:50:14,545 And if you look back at the Safe previses, 1009 00:50:14,745 --> 00:50:18,816 it's all the moves and all the style of John Wick 1. 1010 00:50:22,153 --> 00:50:24,522 For gun fu, you did the mix of airsofts 1011 00:50:24,689 --> 00:50:27,725 and use visual effects for the muzzle flashes and blood spurts. 1012 00:50:27,925 --> 00:50:30,861 Because back in the day, we were using blanks, real guns to shoot. 1013 00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:33,131 So you can't do close quarter stuff. It's dangerous. 1014 00:50:33,298 --> 00:50:35,400 At a certain range, it's still lethal. 1015 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,202 Usually it's like, once you fire a gun, you cut. 1016 00:50:37,368 --> 00:50:39,370 And show the guy firing the gun, 1017 00:50:39,537 --> 00:50:41,906 and then you're on the reverse so you know you're in the safe zone. 1018 00:50:42,107 --> 00:50:44,542 So we're doing shots that aren't cut right in front of each other, 1019 00:50:44,709 --> 00:50:46,511 shooting each other point-blank. 1020 00:50:46,677 --> 00:50:48,913 When they cut it together and put the muzzle flash 1021 00:50:49,114 --> 00:50:51,349 and the blood splatter on it, we all were like, "Oh, shit." 1022 00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:53,918 It was cooler than anything we were doing in any movies we were working on. 1023 00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,521 We sent it to Chad and he damn lost his mind. 1024 00:50:56,654 --> 00:50:57,922 And I was looking at it like, 1025 00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:59,723 "Dude, we got to get this in a freaking movie. 1026 00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,093 Like, this is insane. This is awesome." 1027 00:51:02,293 --> 00:51:04,829 What's funny is we all thought Jason would murder that. 1028 00:51:04,995 --> 00:51:07,098 Like, he's so good at action, that should be easy. 1029 00:51:07,298 --> 00:51:09,767 And in classic Jason style, 1030 00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:12,837 love him to death, he had notes, he had thoughts. 1031 00:51:13,003 --> 00:51:15,340 You know, maybe he didn't want this. Maybe it was a little too stylized. 1032 00:51:15,506 --> 00:51:17,742 I don't know what it was, but for some reason, 1033 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,610 Statham didn't gel with the style. 1034 00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:23,614 I was kind of like, "You got to be shitting me right now. 1035 00:51:23,814 --> 00:51:26,517 This is the coolest stuff I've seen in so long." 1036 00:51:26,684 --> 00:51:29,154 That being said, they ended up doing some small pieces of it. 1037 00:51:29,354 --> 00:51:32,557 If you watch Safe, there's a little bit hand-to-hand. 1038 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:36,394 It's the introduction of it, you know, in that one fight in the restaurant. 1039 00:51:36,561 --> 00:51:41,031 There's just like a couple moments where, like, you see gun fu come to life. 1040 00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,068 But I think at that point, Chad was like, you know, "Fuck this. 1041 00:51:44,235 --> 00:51:46,404 We're holding this until we get our shot. 1042 00:51:46,571 --> 00:51:48,906 Like, we're not letting anyone else see this, because..." 1043 00:51:49,073 --> 00:51:51,041 He was right. It was gonna blow people away. 1044 00:51:51,242 --> 00:51:53,444 And I mean, we were so excited to put it into Wick. 1045 00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:55,780 Like, we couldn't wait. 1046 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:59,584 It's funny because even though they're both great action icons, 1047 00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:02,320 Jason's a bad-ass physical specimen too, 1048 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,922 it just looked different when Reeves was doing it. 1049 00:52:17,368 --> 00:52:20,137 If you say gun fu, you automatically think Keanu Reeves. 1050 00:52:20,305 --> 00:52:21,839 It's his style. 1051 00:52:23,908 --> 00:52:28,946 The great thing about Keanu is, I mean, he was just such a stud. 1052 00:52:29,113 --> 00:52:33,351 He does like 98% of all his fighting. 1053 00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:37,322 His stunt double comes in only when there's something really sketchy, 1054 00:52:37,488 --> 00:52:40,124 like me throwing him over the balcony. 1055 00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:43,361 He's so good. It's amazing. 1056 00:52:43,561 --> 00:52:46,197 One, you go right here. Grab. 1057 00:52:46,397 --> 00:52:48,533 I remember Chad and Dave coming up to me saying, 1058 00:52:48,733 --> 00:52:49,834 "Daniel, pad up." 1059 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,335 I'm like, "What do you mean?" 1060 00:52:51,336 --> 00:52:53,070 We're doing masters, you know, 1061 00:52:53,471 --> 00:52:55,772 where you do the fight from the beginning to the end, no cuts. 1062 00:52:55,773 --> 00:52:57,542 And I really haven't done that in a long time. 1063 00:52:57,742 --> 00:52:59,510 And they're like, "We don't have the time. Pad up." 1064 00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:01,212 Go, go, go, go. 1065 00:53:07,518 --> 00:53:11,822 We shoot a master, and I remember me and Keanu's double, Jackson, 1066 00:53:11,989 --> 00:53:14,225 we were both so exhausted. 1067 00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:19,864 But it turned out to be a really good fight. 1068 00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:22,867 We're rolling, guys. 1069 00:53:23,033 --> 00:53:25,135 I think it came out better than we had ever thought. 1070 00:53:25,303 --> 00:53:26,371 Because you've made it a character. 1071 00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:27,705 - Now it's like-- - Right. 1072 00:53:27,872 --> 00:53:29,307 This is where John Wick got to be like, 1073 00:53:29,474 --> 00:53:30,641 okay, he's the gun guy. 1074 00:53:30,808 --> 00:53:32,710 Yeah. Like, holy shit, it worked. 1075 00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:36,581 Yeah, but I mean, I think that ties into your philosophy 1076 00:53:36,781 --> 00:53:38,749 and David Leitch's philosophy 1077 00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:43,554 coming out of the school of the Wachowskis with the Matrix 1078 00:53:43,721 --> 00:53:46,524 was that character drives the action. 1079 00:53:46,691 --> 00:53:48,359 The story of the action, 1080 00:53:48,793 --> 00:53:52,763 the character of the action has to be so connected to story. 1081 00:53:58,369 --> 00:54:02,039 Last take of John Wick principal photography. 1082 00:54:07,712 --> 00:54:11,516 All right, that's a wrap on principal and additional photography. 1083 00:54:11,682 --> 00:54:12,717 Thank you all very much. 1084 00:54:14,552 --> 00:54:16,120 Good job... 1085 00:54:16,321 --> 00:54:18,423 Hey, Dave, you just directed your first movie. 1086 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:19,924 What are you gonna do now? 1087 00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:22,693 Smoke crack. 1088 00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:25,262 To everybody that said we couldn't do it. 1089 00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:28,466 We thought the hard part was gonna be training Keanu 1090 00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:30,601 and killing it with cool action. 1091 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:33,304 We wrapped, we were like, "Oh, my God, we did it. We're in the clear." 1092 00:54:33,504 --> 00:54:36,040 And then there's this thing we found out called post, 1093 00:54:36,206 --> 00:54:38,208 where you actually have to find the movie. 1094 00:54:38,376 --> 00:54:41,245 If you want distance, you got distance right there. Look at that. 1095 00:54:41,412 --> 00:54:44,482 I think post was where I had the biggest learning curve, 1096 00:54:44,682 --> 00:54:47,051 because you don't really do it as a second-unit director. 1097 00:54:51,055 --> 00:54:53,958 And then cut to the fast outside like... 1098 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:56,561 We cut the assembly and we thought, "Oh my God, we did it." 1099 00:54:56,727 --> 00:54:59,764 We watched the assembly and we're like, "What the fuck? This is terrible. 1100 00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:01,932 Like, this is-- We're gonna never work again." 1101 00:55:02,099 --> 00:55:04,335 We showed it to some friends and family, and they're just going, "Yeah." 1102 00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:06,737 Tapping us on the shoulder, "Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah. 1103 00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:08,172 You did your first movie." 1104 00:55:08,373 --> 00:55:10,074 I think that devastated them. It was like, 1105 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,477 "Guys, it's too long. It's too long. It's too long." 1106 00:55:12,677 --> 00:55:16,781 The first cut of John Wick, he was moping around his house. 1107 00:55:16,947 --> 00:55:18,983 It was like a Swedish noir movie. 1108 00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:22,319 It was very blue. He's crying, making coffee. 1109 00:55:22,487 --> 00:55:25,022 And you're like, "Okay. I don't--" 1110 00:55:25,222 --> 00:55:28,092 I think people are-- They're gonna wanna know when he's gonna start killing people. 1111 00:55:28,258 --> 00:55:30,094 We were trying to hold on to the script so tight 1112 00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:32,463 that I think we fought everybody for the first four, five weeks. 1113 00:55:32,797 --> 00:55:35,231 It's sometimes harder when you're like, "No, but this is the way I saw it, 1114 00:55:35,232 --> 00:55:38,703 and I just need to see it that way until I don't see it that way. Then I can..." 1115 00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:41,338 You know, and I'm like, I've already forgotten about that way 1116 00:55:41,506 --> 00:55:42,840 'cause this way is already so cool. 1117 00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:44,842 Basil, he got mad at us for being so depressed. 1118 00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:48,846 He's like, "What the fuck you guys doing? Like, get to work." 1119 00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:51,115 We're like, "Well, it's terrible. We failed." 1120 00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:52,517 He's like, "That's your assembly. 1121 00:55:52,683 --> 00:55:54,351 Like, now you gonna go make the movie, guys. 1122 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,722 Like, you got 20 weeks. You know, hurry up. Go." 1123 00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:00,558 We're like, "I guess this is directing, huh?" 1124 00:56:00,758 --> 00:56:03,661 You know, they had to figure out the film in the cut, 1125 00:56:03,828 --> 00:56:06,497 and then the battles that you have to fight with the show business part of it. 1126 00:56:06,664 --> 00:56:08,399 You know, what do other people think of the movie 1127 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:10,167 that you thought you made? 1128 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,269 "There's too much action." "Not enough action." 1129 00:56:12,637 --> 00:56:15,572 "You can't really kill the dog." "Wait, what? What's the ending?" 1130 00:56:15,573 --> 00:56:18,042 "The ending doesn't work." Gotta redo it, you know. 1131 00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:23,848 And I'm sure they had a lot of, you know, "Is this fucking terrible?" 1132 00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:26,817 We kind of found the movie very, very slowly. 1133 00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:28,853 It was very slow. But yeah, we were panicked. 1134 00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:31,388 You know, at the time, remember, it was all about fast editing 1135 00:56:31,556 --> 00:56:34,559 and shaky cam and all that stuff. And we didn't have a single shaky cam. 1136 00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:38,062 Our stuff was very slow and with no VFX. 1137 00:56:38,228 --> 00:56:39,864 Yeah, we thought the movie was terrible. 1138 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:41,566 Everybody but Keanu. 1139 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:43,233 Keanu and Basil were just like, "No, just keep hammering. 1140 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,835 Keep going. We'll see you in a couple weeks." 1141 00:56:45,002 --> 00:56:46,336 Part of it is like your baby, you know? 1142 00:56:46,504 --> 00:56:47,938 It's the art you created 1143 00:56:48,305 --> 00:56:50,139 and you're really into it and you're excited. 1144 00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:53,410 But then you're feeling like self-conscious about, 1145 00:56:53,578 --> 00:56:56,914 "Is this moment gonna be cheesy? And are people gonna like it?" 1146 00:56:57,081 --> 00:57:00,217 And I know I like it, but I've got to put it out in the world. 1147 00:57:00,384 --> 00:57:04,789 And it's all of that confidence and insecurity colliding. 1148 00:57:04,989 --> 00:57:07,357 I gotta believe in myself, but I also gotta deliver this 1149 00:57:07,525 --> 00:57:08,959 to an audience and it's gotta work. 1150 00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,128 We previewed the movie for the first time. 1151 00:57:11,295 --> 00:57:13,263 And the audience didn't know what to make of the movie. 1152 00:57:13,664 --> 00:57:17,266 They're like, "What is this? It's like Keanu depressed and crying. 1153 00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:20,304 And what is happening here? It's supposed to be an action movie." 1154 00:57:20,505 --> 00:57:22,473 And I'll never forget, it was the most important moment 1155 00:57:22,673 --> 00:57:24,408 in the entire Wick franchise history 1156 00:57:24,742 --> 00:57:27,644 where Michael Nyqvist calls John Leguizamo... Aurelio speaking. 1157 00:57:27,645 --> 00:57:29,614 ...and says... I heard you struck my son. 1158 00:57:29,814 --> 00:57:31,381 And John says... Yes, sir, I did. 1159 00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,551 Because he stole John Wick's car, sir, 1160 00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:36,787 and, uh, killed his dog. 1161 00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:38,656 And Michael Nyqvist just goes... 1162 00:57:38,756 --> 00:57:40,290 Oh. 1163 00:57:40,725 --> 00:57:43,727 - And the entire audience laughed. - Okay, we have them. 1164 00:57:43,728 --> 00:57:48,933 It's the greatest performance ever in a movie where someone says... 1165 00:57:49,099 --> 00:57:50,300 Oh. 1166 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:53,103 And I realized, okay, they finally got it. 1167 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:56,073 We're supposed to have fun. This movie is crazy. 1168 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,142 And from that moment on, it played great. 1169 00:57:58,308 --> 00:57:59,777 I remember the first screening, 1170 00:57:59,944 --> 00:58:01,779 they give you these little questionnaires to fill out. 1171 00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:03,648 And the first question was like, 1172 00:58:03,814 --> 00:58:06,584 "Do you think the killing of the dog justifies all this death?" 1173 00:58:06,751 --> 00:58:08,252 And we divided it up by demographics. 1174 00:58:08,418 --> 00:58:10,955 And I remember the men were only on board at about 60%. 1175 00:58:11,121 --> 00:58:15,526 But like 98% of the women were like, "Kill 'em all." 1176 00:58:15,726 --> 00:58:18,262 Because they knew it was not about a dog. 1177 00:58:26,604 --> 00:58:27,872 We had a really cool movie. 1178 00:58:28,072 --> 00:58:29,774 We had a movie that I think we were all like, 1179 00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:32,176 "Boy, there's like a world there that we never realized." 1180 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,545 And Ian McShane and Lance Reddick really popped. 1181 00:58:34,745 --> 00:58:37,381 And Willem Dafoe was just cool. We pulled it off. 1182 00:58:37,582 --> 00:58:40,484 And we should have a number of domestic studio offers 1183 00:58:40,585 --> 00:58:42,486 because this movie really works. 1184 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,391 And then, we started to screen it for the studios, and everybody passed. 1185 00:58:48,392 --> 00:58:51,461 - Literally everybody passed. - We didn't sell it? Like, nobody wants it? 1186 00:58:51,629 --> 00:58:56,734 Like, this is better than so many movies that I've been asked to fix. 1187 00:58:56,934 --> 00:58:58,168 It was heartbreaking. 1188 00:58:58,335 --> 00:58:59,870 I misread the marketplace, 1189 00:59:00,037 --> 00:59:02,206 and I put these people in a really tough spot 1190 00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:04,541 because I advocated making this movie 1191 00:59:04,709 --> 00:59:08,178 and put this movie together that no one will ever see. 1192 00:59:08,345 --> 00:59:11,381 But someone at Lionsgate said, "You know what? Fuck it. 1193 00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:13,751 We might as well take the domestic 1194 00:59:13,951 --> 00:59:16,921 because we've already got the territories for international." 1195 00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:19,556 There was a separation between church and state at Lionsgate at the time. 1196 00:59:19,724 --> 00:59:21,525 There was a domestic piece and the foreign piece. 1197 00:59:21,692 --> 00:59:25,229 Lionsgate had only sold the film foreign. 1198 00:59:25,395 --> 00:59:29,099 And so Lionsgate bought it, but for no MG, for zero dollars, 1199 00:59:29,299 --> 00:59:31,401 which is, you know, not a great deal. 1200 00:59:31,535 --> 00:59:33,537 I'm like, "Okay, that's better than nothing." 1201 00:59:33,938 --> 00:59:36,072 They're not believing in it. They're not guaranteeing us theaters. 1202 00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:39,009 But then out of nowhere, their head of marketing sends this trailer 1203 00:59:39,176 --> 00:59:40,611 that is awesome. 1204 00:59:43,013 --> 00:59:44,081 No! 1205 00:59:45,215 --> 00:59:46,751 And he's like, "I could sell this thing." 1206 00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:49,219 This feels like a Lionsgate movie. 1207 00:59:49,386 --> 00:59:50,387 You working again? 1208 00:59:50,554 --> 00:59:52,556 No, just sorting some stuff out. 1209 00:59:52,757 --> 00:59:54,458 Let's figure out how to do this movie, and we are gonna do a wide release. 1210 00:59:54,759 --> 00:59:56,960 And then something else happened which was like a miracle, 1211 00:59:56,961 --> 01:00:00,297 but there was a slot open in October. A movie fell out. 1212 01:00:00,497 --> 01:00:03,033 There was this wide-release action movie called Kingsman, 1213 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,438 and for whatever reason, they have moved the date to next spring. 1214 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:11,642 There's this opening here in October. Let's go for it. 1215 01:00:11,842 --> 01:00:13,410 Then we were like, "Okay, well, 1216 01:00:13,577 --> 01:00:16,814 we need to somehow let people know about this movie 1217 01:00:17,014 --> 01:00:18,548 that's about to come out in two months." 1218 01:00:18,716 --> 01:00:20,484 And so, the marketing team says, "You know what? 1219 01:00:20,685 --> 01:00:24,889 We could premiere it at the Fantastic Fest Film Festival in Austin, 1220 01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:29,293 and that would be like a week or two before our opening weekend." 1221 01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:31,128 We've worked on so many big action movies before, 1222 01:00:31,295 --> 01:00:33,597 and we've mentored under a lot of great directors. 1223 01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:36,834 And it's been-- It's really incredible to get a chance to, 1224 01:00:37,034 --> 01:00:40,437 like, show people what we can do storytelling-wise and action-wise. 1225 01:00:42,873 --> 01:00:45,242 We show the movie, blow the roof off the place. 1226 01:00:45,409 --> 01:00:47,577 People freak out. Twitter-space goes nuts. 1227 01:00:47,745 --> 01:00:50,280 Fanboys went apeshit for it. They love it. 1228 01:00:50,447 --> 01:00:52,750 Then all of a sudden, reviews start coming in. 1229 01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:55,686 Reviews are fantastic. Everyone's saying, 1230 01:00:55,886 --> 01:01:00,590 "This is not just a typical action movie. This is inspired." 1231 01:01:02,092 --> 01:01:06,697 I was more surprised that nobody wanted it in that buyer screening 1232 01:01:06,897 --> 01:01:09,800 than I was when we showed it for the fanboys, 1233 01:01:09,967 --> 01:01:13,370 who I kind of deep down knew would like it because I'm one of them. 1234 01:01:13,570 --> 01:01:17,007 And so, one minute, we didn't even really have a theatrical release. 1235 01:01:17,174 --> 01:01:19,509 It was gonna just go straight to video. 1236 01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:22,612 And the next minute, it's like 1,200 screens. It's pretty awesome. 1237 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,850 It was a huge win for all of us, huge. 1238 01:01:26,016 --> 01:01:29,186 But there was one thing about that first movie that I was so happy for. 1239 01:01:29,353 --> 01:01:32,156 It reminded the audience why they love Keanu. 1240 01:01:32,322 --> 01:01:34,424 And it reminded them that he was a movie star. 1241 01:01:34,624 --> 01:01:36,660 People keep asking if I'm back. 1242 01:01:38,662 --> 01:01:41,365 Yeah, I'm thinking I'm back. 1243 01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,134 And now, you have an opportunity for a sequel. 1244 01:01:44,334 --> 01:01:49,373 But if we make John Wick 2 and it comes out in six years, 1245 01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:53,377 it doesn't have the same value in the audience. 1246 01:01:53,543 --> 01:01:58,182 I knew at this moment in time, we cannot slow down 1247 01:01:58,382 --> 01:02:00,684 with the idea of if we're making a John Wick 2. 1248 01:02:00,851 --> 01:02:02,753 We couldn't come up with an idea, 1249 01:02:02,953 --> 01:02:06,556 and Chad and I were attached to this other project 1250 01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:08,258 that I was really falling in love with, 1251 01:02:08,458 --> 01:02:11,594 The Coldest City, which is now called Atomic Blonde. 1252 01:02:11,595 --> 01:02:13,663 I thought we could do it first together. 1253 01:02:14,164 --> 01:02:17,100 And I don't know, Chad felt like he really wanted to do Wick 2 next. 1254 01:02:17,101 --> 01:02:20,470 And part of me was like, I want to do Wick 2. 1255 01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:24,909 But I know there's nobody they could hire that could do Wick 2. 1256 01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:28,913 We just-- It was such a unique thing that we'd created together. 1257 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,448 It was either Chad or me or nobody. 1258 01:02:31,681 --> 01:02:35,052 Like, who are they gonna hire to do Wick? And I'm like, we have time to do Wick. 1259 01:02:35,185 --> 01:02:37,121 This has Charlize. It's ready to go. 1260 01:02:37,321 --> 01:02:40,357 And we can go make another movie, you know, and come back 1261 01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:43,060 and make Wick 2 when we have a great idea. 1262 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:48,098 And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah," for a while. And then he started to get cold feet. 1263 01:02:48,298 --> 01:02:50,400 And I think he really wanted to stay in the Wick world. 1264 01:02:50,567 --> 01:02:52,636 And he-- And although we didn't have a script, 1265 01:02:52,837 --> 01:02:55,605 he's like, I think he really wanted me to stay, too. 1266 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:57,975 I think Dave wanted to direct on his own. We all want to direct on our own. 1267 01:02:58,175 --> 01:03:00,077 That's directing. We all want to be on our own. 1268 01:03:00,244 --> 01:03:02,579 The co-directing thing, if we did three films together like that, 1269 01:03:02,746 --> 01:03:04,481 yeah, we would have done three films together like that. 1270 01:03:04,681 --> 01:03:06,650 Long and short of it, I just went to Chad, 1271 01:03:06,851 --> 01:03:10,287 and I said, "I want to direct Coldest City." 1272 01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,790 Um, and he's like, "Keanu's got a window. I'm doing this at the same time. 1273 01:03:13,991 --> 01:03:17,127 So, you got to choose. And I'm like, "Coldest City." 1274 01:03:17,294 --> 01:03:20,064 He was just like, "What? You're gonna do that? 1275 01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,833 You're gonna leave our franchise behind?" I think he felt like that. 1276 01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:26,303 I think he probably said those words. 1277 01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:30,140 It was a big blow. It was-- It was like, oh, my God. 1278 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,976 At the time, I was fucking furious. 1279 01:03:32,409 --> 01:03:35,644 I was like, "Are you out of your mind? Like, this is a franchise. 1280 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:37,781 Like, we're the luckiest people in the world. What are you doing?" 1281 01:03:37,948 --> 01:03:39,316 It was very dramatic. 1282 01:03:39,649 --> 01:03:42,518 And that was the straw. Like, that was like, okay. 1283 01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:45,956 To me, it sort of felt like people became Team Dave or Team Chad. 1284 01:03:46,123 --> 01:03:48,525 It's not like Chad ever said, "Don't work with Dave." 1285 01:03:48,725 --> 01:03:52,129 Dave was still a very integral part of who we all were, 1286 01:03:52,296 --> 01:03:55,499 'cause to us, he was Dave, no matter what he was to Chad. 1287 01:03:55,665 --> 01:03:58,702 When he left, it was more just like, "Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave. 1288 01:04:00,004 --> 01:04:01,538 He was the cool one." 1289 01:04:01,738 --> 01:04:02,973 So, yeah, you feel a little bit like, 1290 01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:04,708 "Is it me? Is it them? Is it that?" You know. 1291 01:04:04,909 --> 01:04:06,643 It felt like I was an asshole. 1292 01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:11,348 Like, you know, of course. Like, no one just leaves for no reason. 1293 01:04:11,515 --> 01:04:14,684 Your ego says it's them, but hopefully your brain says it's you. 1294 01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,720 You kind of-- Maybe it's something in the middle. 1295 01:04:16,921 --> 01:04:18,655 Up to that point, they just went their separate ways. 1296 01:04:18,822 --> 01:04:21,691 They ran a business together, and they were very close friends. 1297 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:26,663 But being in the same creative cockpit, I think it was too much for Dave, 1298 01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:29,633 and I think Dave was like, "I want to go do my own shit." 1299 01:04:29,799 --> 01:04:33,337 That made sense to me, you know? 1300 01:04:33,503 --> 01:04:36,706 I never had, like, "Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?" 1301 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:40,077 That was like, "Oh, yeah, right. You're both directors, 1302 01:04:40,277 --> 01:04:45,215 and one's gonna go do that, and another one's gonna do this." 1303 01:04:45,382 --> 01:04:49,186 I was just glad Chad said, "Yeah, let's do it." 1304 01:04:49,353 --> 01:04:52,656 'Cause if he hadn't have said that, I don't know what would have happened. 1305 01:04:53,457 --> 01:04:54,524 I don't know. 1306 01:04:54,724 --> 01:04:56,026 I know you called for John Wick 2. 1307 01:04:56,193 --> 01:04:57,494 "Do you want to do it?" 1308 01:04:57,661 --> 01:04:59,229 I'm like, "What are you thinking?" 1309 01:04:59,396 --> 01:05:00,697 And he's like, "Look, all I know is we just got to know 1310 01:05:00,864 --> 01:05:02,599 - why we're gonna do it again." - Yeah. 1311 01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:04,601 But we didn't have a script. We didn't have any ideas. 1312 01:05:04,801 --> 01:05:08,172 We really didn't know why the first movie worked. 1313 01:05:08,338 --> 01:05:10,941 I know it sounds dopey to say, but it's not a science, right? 1314 01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:12,376 They came back and said, 1315 01:05:12,542 --> 01:05:14,378 "So you guys think you're pretty clever. 1316 01:05:14,711 --> 01:05:16,512 Let's see what you got for John Wick 2. " I know, right? 1317 01:05:16,513 --> 01:05:18,515 Usually, when people talked about John Wick 1, 1318 01:05:18,682 --> 01:05:21,185 they were like, "Yeah, the dog. I mean, geez, that was great." 1319 01:05:21,351 --> 01:05:22,752 And we're like, "We don't have a dog anymore." 1320 01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:24,354 What are you gonna do? You gonna kill the dog again? 1321 01:05:24,521 --> 01:05:26,423 - Kill a cat? - Kill the parakeet? 1322 01:05:26,590 --> 01:05:28,892 - What are we doing? - It would've been laughable if we did it again. 1323 01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:31,595 And so, we're like, "Well, what-- Fuck. What are we gonna do here?" 1324 01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:33,897 And so, creatively, it was a big challenge 1325 01:05:34,098 --> 01:05:37,867 about how do we emotionally connect the audience to what's going on. 1326 01:05:38,002 --> 01:05:40,404 We kind of killed ourselves on the second one 1327 01:05:40,604 --> 01:05:44,274 because we didn't want it to be John Wick 1 and 2 and done. 1328 01:05:44,441 --> 01:05:48,912 When you think of franchises that get to 3 and 4, beyond, they did the sequel right. 1329 01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:52,716 A movie is not a franchise until you've made a second movie 1330 01:05:52,882 --> 01:05:55,785 and the second movie worked, right? 1331 01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:59,556 Once you have two movies work, now you have a franchise. 1332 01:05:59,723 --> 01:06:01,225 That was probably the most stressful. 1333 01:06:01,391 --> 01:06:04,728 It was like, "Did we get lucky or are we good?" 1334 01:06:04,894 --> 01:06:08,165 We went through, I want to say a hundred ideas. 1335 01:06:08,365 --> 01:06:12,002 Massive universe builds, Nigerian mob, the triad, 1336 01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:14,004 any number of iterations. 1337 01:06:14,204 --> 01:06:17,107 It's not like we talk about it, hand the script off to a writer, 1338 01:06:17,274 --> 01:06:20,077 and then, "See you in six months." Like, Keanu's writing is like, 1339 01:06:20,244 --> 01:06:24,114 out of the blue he'll text me a scene, and then I'll have a set piece. 1340 01:06:24,281 --> 01:06:25,915 He'll text me, "I was thinking, John Wick should"-- 1341 01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:27,917 And it's like two pages of dialogue. 1342 01:06:28,085 --> 01:06:30,120 We don't know where to put it yet, but we know it's a scene. 1343 01:06:30,287 --> 01:06:32,256 You know, I write for Winston. 1344 01:06:32,422 --> 01:06:35,092 I write for the Bowery King. 1345 01:06:35,259 --> 01:06:38,095 I write for John. I'll write scenes. You know, I'll send pitches of scenes. 1346 01:06:38,262 --> 01:06:41,465 Full scenes. But they all have, like, "We want this to say, the theme is this." 1347 01:06:41,631 --> 01:06:43,167 Yeah. Right. "The scene should be about this." 1348 01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:44,968 And then, how do we get there? 1349 01:06:45,135 --> 01:06:47,204 It comes together in the most haphazard way, 1350 01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:49,273 and it's kind of like that for like six months. 1351 01:06:49,439 --> 01:06:51,208 Just, "We don't know! We don't know!" 1352 01:06:51,408 --> 01:06:54,111 For the first one, it was just a handful of people in the trenches. 1353 01:06:54,278 --> 01:06:57,981 And the second one, it was a thousand people in the command center. 1354 01:06:58,148 --> 01:07:00,984 And the third one, you're just like, what in the hell? 1355 01:07:01,185 --> 01:07:03,820 But that was the hardest job I've ever had, was John Wick 2. 1356 01:07:03,987 --> 01:07:10,227 No one gets out and comes back without repercussions. 1357 01:07:11,795 --> 01:07:14,231 There were two things that broke the dam on the development. 1358 01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:16,733 One was the marker, and then the idea of, like, 1359 01:07:16,933 --> 01:07:18,202 we wanted to go to Rome. 1360 01:07:21,171 --> 01:07:22,906 I remember we talked a couple of times, going, 1361 01:07:23,107 --> 01:07:24,574 "What if there's a Continental in every city?" 1362 01:07:24,774 --> 01:07:26,076 I said, "Where do you want to go?" And you're like, 1363 01:07:26,276 --> 01:07:27,644 "Where's one of the old-- What's cool?" 1364 01:07:27,811 --> 01:07:29,813 Rome. Then we're like, 1365 01:07:29,979 --> 01:07:31,681 well, how does he get called back in? Well, he's got to have a marker. 1366 01:07:31,848 --> 01:07:33,517 Somebody... I think... 1367 01:07:33,683 --> 01:07:34,918 Marker, I think, was Derek-- 1368 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,221 Derek? No, Derek came up with the marker. 1369 01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:40,524 And then, Derek and I sat down and went, well, what if the marker is like a check? 1370 01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:43,527 Yeah. You can buy something. You trade it with it. 1371 01:07:43,693 --> 01:07:49,065 If you don't do this, you know the consequences. 1372 01:07:49,233 --> 01:07:51,768 I'm not that guy anymore. 1373 01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:57,374 You are always that guy, John. 1374 01:07:58,542 --> 01:08:01,010 You give somebody a marker, you have to honor it. 1375 01:08:01,178 --> 01:08:04,013 Otherwise, you risk being on the open market. 1376 01:08:04,181 --> 01:08:05,849 It's a whole arcane world of its own. 1377 01:08:06,015 --> 01:08:07,384 Market. 1378 01:08:07,551 --> 01:08:09,853 It's wonderful bullshit, you know? Wonderful. 1379 01:08:12,021 --> 01:08:14,724 We're kind of all under the table in this weird, twisted world. 1380 01:08:14,891 --> 01:08:17,461 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the development of it, right? 1381 01:08:17,661 --> 01:08:20,697 I mean, the high table was introduced in the second one as well. 1382 01:08:20,864 --> 01:08:23,367 Number two is where we really kind of found our feet, I think. 1383 01:08:23,533 --> 01:08:25,135 Yeah. With the whole world. 1384 01:08:25,335 --> 01:08:27,271 The John Wick world that it would become. 1385 01:08:27,437 --> 01:08:30,474 When you're trying to do new or fresh or sell an idea, 1386 01:08:30,674 --> 01:08:32,242 a picture's worth a thousand words. 1387 01:08:32,409 --> 01:08:35,279 So I will usually storyboard a scene before I write a scene. 1388 01:08:35,412 --> 01:08:37,080 The thing about working with Chad, 1389 01:08:37,481 --> 01:08:39,282 it's like working on a college film with your buddies, 1390 01:08:39,283 --> 01:08:40,584 and you guys spend most of your time 1391 01:08:40,917 --> 01:08:42,485 watching kung fu movies and anime together. 1392 01:08:42,486 --> 01:08:44,721 And all of a sudden, you gotta do a project. 1393 01:08:44,888 --> 01:08:47,924 So that's kind of how it was 'cause we would geek out about the same things. 1394 01:08:48,091 --> 01:08:50,727 Todd is part of my inner circle creatively. 1395 01:08:50,894 --> 01:08:53,663 He's someone I like to riff with, not just about visuals, 1396 01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:55,899 but about story arcs, characters. 1397 01:08:56,065 --> 01:09:00,504 On top of that, he's incredibly gifted with a great eye, with perspective. 1398 01:09:00,704 --> 01:09:03,840 They throw some ideas at me. I throw some back at them or bounce them off the writer, 1399 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,476 take those ideas, put those in the script. 1400 01:09:06,643 --> 01:09:08,945 I'll tweak, he'll tweak, go back and around and around 1401 01:09:09,112 --> 01:09:11,348 and around and around. And it won't stop till the day we shoot. 1402 01:09:11,548 --> 01:09:15,151 It helps everyone's imagination see the scale of what you're trying to do, 1403 01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,454 the depth, the color, the pattern, the framing. 1404 01:09:17,621 --> 01:09:20,990 It was always about getting into the psychology of John Wick, 1405 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:24,861 what kind of character he is, what visually signifies who this guy is 1406 01:09:25,061 --> 01:09:25,995 and what makes him different. 1407 01:09:26,162 --> 01:09:27,997 This is very much noir 1408 01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:31,301 filtered through kind of a digital MTV aesthetic. 1409 01:09:31,468 --> 01:09:33,237 We kind of made the decision, like, what do we love? 1410 01:09:33,437 --> 01:09:35,104 And we wrote it up on the... "We love wuxia films. 1411 01:09:35,305 --> 01:09:37,541 We love chambara films. We love Westerns. 1412 01:09:37,741 --> 01:09:39,476 We love John Ford. We love Sergio Leone. 1413 01:09:39,643 --> 01:09:41,611 We love Bernardo Bertolucci. We love Tarkovsky. 1414 01:09:41,778 --> 01:09:46,015 We love Wong Kar-Wai. We love Zhang Yimou, you know, Akira Kurosawa. 1415 01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:47,517 We love Steven Spielberg." 1416 01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:50,186 All these great directors of action at the time, 1417 01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:53,189 or storytelling, and we just went, "Well, fuck it. 1418 01:09:53,357 --> 01:09:54,991 We're just gonna combine everything we love 1419 01:09:55,158 --> 01:09:56,726 and build our own franchise." 1420 01:09:56,926 --> 01:09:58,562 I think one of the best things about John Wick is 1421 01:09:58,762 --> 01:10:00,230 it wasn't an existing IP already. 1422 01:10:00,430 --> 01:10:03,833 Yeah. You know, so, there was no rules. 1423 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,235 Yeah. We could make... 1424 01:10:05,435 --> 01:10:06,636 We could steer John Wick wherever we wanted. 1425 01:10:06,803 --> 01:10:08,204 We could do whatever we wanted. 1426 01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,139 We're like, I don't know, is he that guy? 1427 01:10:10,307 --> 01:10:11,841 Sure, he's that guy. He loves Mustangs. He's that guy. 1428 01:10:12,008 --> 01:10:14,177 Is he this guy? Does he like... Ah, he's that guy. 1429 01:10:14,344 --> 01:10:16,513 Like, he speaks all these languages. 1430 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,515 It's like every movie we could reinvent him a little bit. 1431 01:10:18,682 --> 01:10:19,983 I know, I love it. 1432 01:10:20,317 --> 01:10:23,720 Ready, and three, two, one. Action! 1433 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,725 All the Wick movies are very, very difficult to shoot. 1434 01:10:28,892 --> 01:10:30,827 None of them are easy, at all. 1435 01:10:30,994 --> 01:10:32,562 Fuck. 1436 01:10:32,796 --> 01:10:35,098 But 2 was hard, but I think we were all like, 1437 01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:37,267 "Do you believe this shit? We're here again. This is incredible." 1438 01:10:37,467 --> 01:10:38,535 John Wick: Chapter 2. 1439 01:10:38,702 --> 01:10:39,836 Like he never left. 1440 01:10:40,003 --> 01:10:42,272 And Keanu was just so happy. 1441 01:10:42,472 --> 01:10:45,542 He starts working out and training four or five months before he starts shooting. 1442 01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:47,544 And I don't mean like every couple of days. 1443 01:10:47,711 --> 01:10:50,514 I mean like five, six days a week. It's a full-time job for him. 1444 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,882 But for Keanu, it's where he's the happiest. 1445 01:10:53,049 --> 01:10:54,284 My bad. 1446 01:10:54,484 --> 01:10:55,919 Good take, good take, good take. 1447 01:10:56,653 --> 01:10:57,920 Going again. 1448 01:10:57,921 --> 01:10:59,255 I think you'd like to have, 1449 01:10:59,589 --> 01:11:00,957 I mean, I like it too when John Wick suffers, 1450 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:03,259 but I think you like it when Reeves suffers too. 1451 01:11:03,427 --> 01:11:04,594 Um... 1452 01:11:04,761 --> 01:11:05,962 Not gonna say no. 1453 01:11:08,332 --> 01:11:12,802 When you see Keanu in pain on screen, it's probably for real. 1454 01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:14,237 Bad knee. 1455 01:11:14,904 --> 01:11:16,039 Bad knee. 1456 01:11:16,205 --> 01:11:17,907 His knee doesn't work, 1457 01:11:18,074 --> 01:11:20,644 his right shoulder doesn't work, and his neck has a fusion. 1458 01:11:20,844 --> 01:11:24,448 So when you see John Wick limping, that's Keanu limping. 1459 01:11:27,751 --> 01:11:29,553 Chad told Keanu early on, 1460 01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:31,888 "I'm gonna push you past your comfort zone." 1461 01:11:32,055 --> 01:11:33,490 And Keanu was like, "Do it." 1462 01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:36,259 Now on 1 and 2, it was kind of healthy. 1463 01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:38,662 On 3 and 4, it was becoming like almost barbaric. 1464 01:11:38,895 --> 01:11:43,800 But Keanu would never ever, ever, ever, ever in a million years tap out. 1465 01:11:45,268 --> 01:11:49,072 Keanu's work ethic and training regimen 1466 01:11:49,238 --> 01:11:52,976 that he wants to do for these movies was just really impressive. 1467 01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:55,011 First thing you see Keanu walk on set. 1468 01:11:55,211 --> 01:11:57,347 He can barely move. He's got his head down. 1469 01:11:57,581 --> 01:12:02,318 He just looks like he's been beat to shit for the last two months because he has. 1470 01:12:02,452 --> 01:12:08,358 Um, I guess we can start here. And then there. 1471 01:12:08,558 --> 01:12:10,360 And then we add, this is fun. 1472 01:12:11,294 --> 01:12:12,996 That one's not bad. 1473 01:12:13,162 --> 01:12:15,131 Got a little rug burn. Those carpet burns? 1474 01:12:15,298 --> 01:12:16,933 Yeah. You already got the job. 1475 01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:18,435 Right there, got a little bit there. 1476 01:12:18,602 --> 01:12:20,370 Action star. 1477 01:12:21,838 --> 01:12:22,939 John Wick. 1478 01:12:23,139 --> 01:12:24,474 For Wick 1, 1479 01:12:24,641 --> 01:12:27,010 it was really kind of starting from ground zero. 1480 01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:28,211 Building up from nothing. 1481 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,550 It wasn't gonna be the typical punch-kick. 1482 01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:36,886 It was gonna be more gritty, hard-style, messy. 1483 01:12:38,321 --> 01:12:40,657 So, we had to kind of beat on him a little bit. 1484 01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:42,426 Get him used to contact. You know, 1485 01:12:42,792 --> 01:12:44,593 just grabbing on to one of the guys and pulling him in. 1486 01:12:44,594 --> 01:12:45,995 That was just a drill. 1487 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,532 He would just do that for 20, 30 minutes. 1488 01:12:48,665 --> 01:12:52,502 And then, pull him in, step, pull him in, step. 1489 01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:56,172 We sit there and we do rolls for 15 minutes 1490 01:12:56,339 --> 01:12:59,208 and then break falls for another 15 minutes. 1491 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:02,311 Like that alone is taxing on anybody. 1492 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,748 I wish I could get an ice bath. 1493 01:13:04,948 --> 01:13:06,650 I'll get it. Still rolling. 1494 01:13:06,816 --> 01:13:09,018 Ice bath. I need an ice bath. 1495 01:13:12,456 --> 01:13:16,493 In the training room, I got so used to four months of him collapsing 1496 01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:19,162 on the ground, coughing for ten minutes straight. 1497 01:13:22,499 --> 01:13:26,235 He sounds like he's gonna die between every take of rehearsal. 1498 01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:28,672 I've seen him go straight to the bathroom. 1499 01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:32,375 Like he's done that. He's definitely barfed during training. 1500 01:13:32,542 --> 01:13:35,044 He would go in the bathroom, come back out, 1501 01:13:35,211 --> 01:13:37,547 just white face and just be like, 1502 01:13:37,714 --> 01:13:41,050 "All right, what's next? Where we going?" 1503 01:13:41,217 --> 01:13:44,921 Which I think for all of us was just like, "Fuck yeah." 1504 01:13:52,496 --> 01:13:54,263 Chad used to get a camera and he goes, 1505 01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:57,200 "I want Reeves to do 50 throws before he leaves, in a row." 1506 01:13:59,836 --> 01:14:02,939 And he's like in New York and I'm in LA, but he puts a camera there. 1507 01:14:03,106 --> 01:14:04,641 So I'm training Reeves. 1508 01:14:04,841 --> 01:14:07,577 And then, it's like, he does like take-- He does 30. 1509 01:14:10,013 --> 01:14:12,882 And he's dying. Like he's fucking like passing out. 1510 01:14:13,049 --> 01:14:14,784 And I'm like, "Ah, we should let him go." 1511 01:14:14,918 --> 01:14:16,953 'Cause whatever, right? 1512 01:14:17,353 --> 01:14:19,855 Then I get a text. It's like, "No, that's number"-- Like he counts it. 1513 01:14:19,856 --> 01:14:21,791 "That's like number 31." 1514 01:14:21,958 --> 01:14:24,594 You know what I mean? I'm like looking. Right? He's watching. 1515 01:14:25,762 --> 01:14:28,097 So, it's like, he had-- he had to do it. 1516 01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:29,733 It's nuts, man. 1517 01:14:32,101 --> 01:14:35,238 He knows Keanu so well. He knows like how much he can do. 1518 01:14:35,404 --> 01:14:39,108 I'm like, "Dude, he's not g-- He's gonna die, right?" 1519 01:14:39,275 --> 01:14:42,612 Like most people are just like... They would have, like, stopped for sure. 1520 01:14:42,779 --> 01:14:46,482 So he knows how much you can push him, not just physically, but mentally. 1521 01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,855 When you know you have someone as your lead actor go down those roads, 1522 01:14:52,055 --> 01:14:54,423 you have a whole nother level of opportunities 1523 01:14:54,591 --> 01:14:55,959 that a lot of directors don't have. 1524 01:14:56,125 --> 01:14:58,595 There's actors that directors meet on the day. 1525 01:14:58,762 --> 01:15:00,997 You know, I knew Keanu for years before I directed him. 1526 01:15:01,164 --> 01:15:04,000 I don't know if you realize what kind of advantage that is. 1527 01:15:04,167 --> 01:15:07,604 No better union could have happened in the film business 1528 01:15:07,771 --> 01:15:08,972 than Chad and Keanu. 1529 01:15:09,138 --> 01:15:11,841 Keanu is the hardest training actor 1530 01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14,010 I've ever worked with, right? 1531 01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:16,813 He's so committed, but it's the same as Chad. 1532 01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:18,014 They're both the same. 1533 01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:20,515 They see something in their head, 1534 01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:25,722 and they will both bleed profusely to achieve it. 1535 01:15:25,922 --> 01:15:28,825 Do you remember the origin of "Wick is pain"? 1536 01:15:28,992 --> 01:15:31,460 Day one? No. 1537 01:15:31,661 --> 01:15:34,864 "Wick is pain" didn't evolve until John Wick... 1538 01:15:37,266 --> 01:15:38,334 3. 1539 01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:41,705 I think it was during the antique fight. 1540 01:15:41,871 --> 01:15:44,140 My knee had blown up. Oh, my God, I remember that. 1541 01:15:44,307 --> 01:15:46,810 The first week of shooting and I'm sitting there, 1542 01:15:46,976 --> 01:15:49,512 and I'm like... And I think, 1543 01:15:49,713 --> 01:15:53,281 in the fog of our... in the fog of Wick, 1544 01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:55,151 I think I was sitting there and then you-- 1545 01:15:55,619 --> 01:15:58,553 Like, I was there and maybe I was like, "Hey, how's it going?" 1546 01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:02,025 And you looked at me and you were like, "Wick is pain." 1547 01:16:02,191 --> 01:16:04,160 And then you-- 1548 01:16:04,327 --> 01:16:06,162 That sounded like something a director would say. 1549 01:16:06,329 --> 01:16:07,864 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1550 01:16:08,031 --> 01:16:10,199 I remember that. Your knee was fucking swollen. 1551 01:16:10,366 --> 01:16:12,902 It wasn't that bad, but it was a little swollen. 1552 01:16:13,036 --> 01:16:14,971 We were trying to get Patrick and to get the doctor in. 1553 01:16:15,338 --> 01:16:18,741 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I had the thing and it was a bit of a situation. 1554 01:16:18,742 --> 01:16:21,244 But that's my recollection of when like... That's the etymology-- 1555 01:16:21,444 --> 01:16:25,081 ...of when "Wick is pain" became formalized. 1556 01:16:25,248 --> 01:16:26,783 I think with Chad, 1557 01:16:26,983 --> 01:16:29,052 there needs to be a healthy amount of suffering 1558 01:16:29,218 --> 01:16:33,156 that is in direct relation with the success of the film. 1559 01:16:33,356 --> 01:16:35,692 When we were on the first John Wick 1560 01:16:35,859 --> 01:16:39,028 and we were doing the fight at the Navy Yard at the end of the film, 1561 01:16:39,195 --> 01:16:40,563 and it's freezing 1562 01:16:40,730 --> 01:16:43,466 and it's rain and it's terrible, 1563 01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:45,101 he was-- he was so-- 1564 01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:46,802 I don't think I've seen him that happy before. 1565 01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:48,537 He loved it, you know? 1566 01:16:48,705 --> 01:16:50,640 And I'm sure Reeves was right there with him. 1567 01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,076 They're just both miserable suffering. 1568 01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:55,444 Anything hard is always gonna be a little painful. 1569 01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,747 Is good. Yeah, that's good. 1570 01:16:57,914 --> 01:17:00,950 I mean, honestly, if it didn't hurt, if we weren't stressed out by it... 1571 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,053 I mean, it's more than just the stunts. Like we'd be working on the script. 1572 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,955 Yeah. Trying to figure out... 1573 01:17:06,122 --> 01:17:09,225 And then that's-- that's a different kind of pain. 1574 01:17:09,392 --> 01:17:10,660 When you're trying to figure out these scenes, 1575 01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:12,896 you can sense that there's something cool, 1576 01:17:13,062 --> 01:17:15,498 we could do something really neat, but it's-- You can't quite get it. 1577 01:17:15,699 --> 01:17:19,502 And I think that's sometimes more painful than the-- 1578 01:17:19,703 --> 01:17:22,772 Well, almost as painful as getting hit by a bus. 1579 01:17:22,939 --> 01:17:25,909 Could you recommend anything for the end of the night? 1580 01:17:26,075 --> 01:17:28,111 Something big, bold? 1581 01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:31,748 May I suggest the Benelli M4? 1582 01:17:36,786 --> 01:17:38,755 This is where we wanted to up the action a little bit, 1583 01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:40,623 so we started Keanu training with Taran Butler, 1584 01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:42,258 the three-gun champion of the world. 1585 01:17:52,035 --> 01:17:55,404 I didn't know that I was getting gun hands in John Wick 1, 1586 01:17:55,604 --> 01:18:00,643 but in Chapter 2, I was like, "The manipulations. Oh, yeah." 1587 01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:05,181 We went from John Wick 1, 1588 01:18:05,348 --> 01:18:08,517 where it was like 100 rounds at a shooting session, 1589 01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,988 to when we got to Taran on number two, it was like 3,000 rounds. 1590 01:18:12,155 --> 01:18:13,456 Yes. 1591 01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:22,999 Did I not hit it? Nope. 1592 01:18:24,033 --> 01:18:26,169 Chad's obsessed with weaponry and guns, 1593 01:18:26,335 --> 01:18:28,071 and I think always like the cutting edge 1594 01:18:28,271 --> 01:18:30,239 of what would be next and what we could do. 1595 01:18:32,641 --> 01:18:35,878 The airsoft thing at the time we thought was not revolutionary, 1596 01:18:35,879 --> 01:18:37,646 but we were like, "This is incredible." 1597 01:18:37,814 --> 01:18:39,749 But it was like 70% of what we wanted. 1598 01:18:39,949 --> 01:18:43,686 As we increased the sophistication of the weaponry, 1599 01:18:43,853 --> 01:18:46,489 Chad was like, "I want to be able to do an enormous amount of gunplay. 1600 01:18:46,655 --> 01:18:48,825 I never want to worry about it, and I hate airsofts." 1601 01:18:48,958 --> 01:18:50,960 And I'm like, "Well, that leaves us nowhere." 1602 01:18:51,327 --> 01:18:54,462 Because we can't have blanks, obviously. It can't be plastic guns. 1603 01:18:54,463 --> 01:18:58,667 You've got to remember, Chad was Brandon Lee's stunt double in The Crow, 1604 01:18:58,835 --> 01:19:00,703 so Chad more so than I think any person 1605 01:19:00,870 --> 01:19:02,371 that comes out of the stunt world in Hollywood 1606 01:19:02,571 --> 01:19:06,009 is hypervigilant and aware of gun safety on a set. 1607 01:19:06,142 --> 01:19:07,510 That's bad. Yeah, yeah. 1608 01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,946 And a lot of the gunfire is close combat. 1609 01:19:10,046 --> 01:19:12,581 And so, how do you do that with, you know, a gun that looks real? 1610 01:19:12,748 --> 01:19:14,717 So, you are the speed of light. 1611 01:19:14,884 --> 01:19:16,285 I'm gonna name the gun that. 1612 01:19:16,485 --> 01:19:18,187 Speed of light. All right. 1613 01:19:18,287 --> 01:19:19,889 But then Chad found Taran, 1614 01:19:20,323 --> 01:19:24,459 and they actually found the secret sauce of plugging guns. 1615 01:19:24,460 --> 01:19:29,398 Chad likes to have so much close contact action that he solid plugs everything. 1616 01:19:29,565 --> 01:19:32,368 What that means is a normal blank gun in a movie, 1617 01:19:32,535 --> 01:19:34,537 when you fire it, the flame comes out the front. 1618 01:19:34,703 --> 01:19:37,273 When he solid plugs it, you don't get that anymore. 1619 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,109 You get the ejection of the casing flying out, 1620 01:19:40,276 --> 01:19:42,545 you get the reloads, you get the smoke, you get all that. 1621 01:19:42,711 --> 01:19:45,548 The action's operating, but it's safe. 1622 01:19:45,714 --> 01:19:47,817 You can go right up against somebody and pull the trigger. 1623 01:19:48,017 --> 01:19:49,252 It's not going to hurt them. 1624 01:19:49,418 --> 01:19:51,387 As soon as you put a blank with a blank gun, 1625 01:19:51,554 --> 01:19:53,622 you're basically shooting a pistol that's been fitted for blanks. 1626 01:19:53,789 --> 01:19:56,459 And you can get wadded. I've been sprayed a thousand times with wadding. 1627 01:19:56,625 --> 01:19:58,061 I've been shot and burned. 1628 01:19:58,227 --> 01:19:59,795 Nobody can get killed with a solid plug gun. 1629 01:19:59,963 --> 01:20:01,464 Nothing comes out of the front. 1630 01:20:04,367 --> 01:20:06,135 And now the gun cycles. It's totally safe. 1631 01:20:06,302 --> 01:20:08,437 You can have your hand in the front. It won't do anything. 1632 01:20:08,604 --> 01:20:13,476 There was also a very big benefit audio-wise for the stunt performers. 1633 01:20:13,642 --> 01:20:14,911 Things are going on. 1634 01:20:15,078 --> 01:20:16,312 There's a hundred guys Keanu is fighting, 1635 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,014 so people are yelling, making kung fu noises. 1636 01:20:18,214 --> 01:20:20,016 So, the fact that we had a plugged gun 1637 01:20:20,216 --> 01:20:22,318 that actually sounded like a real gun, 1638 01:20:22,485 --> 01:20:24,153 you know, it was easier for our stuntpeople 1639 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,323 to take their cues off the sounds of the guns. 1640 01:20:30,326 --> 01:20:32,161 That was awesome. 1641 01:20:32,328 --> 01:20:33,529 I like that press. 1642 01:20:33,729 --> 01:20:35,965 Ah. So fun. 1643 01:20:36,132 --> 01:20:39,335 - Now we're just gonna slap on the Benelli. - We better get that shotgun. 1644 01:20:45,008 --> 01:20:47,310 - Oh, yeah. Match saver. - Match saver. 1645 01:20:47,476 --> 01:20:50,446 When he runs out of ammo, this is called the match saver. 1646 01:20:50,613 --> 01:20:53,616 In the old-school way, you'd have to reach down to your belt, 1647 01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:57,520 grab a shell, drop it in, and drop the bolt. 1648 01:20:57,686 --> 01:21:00,789 And that takes, like, almost two seconds. 1649 01:21:00,957 --> 01:21:03,359 This way, I'm shooting, I run empty, 1650 01:21:03,526 --> 01:21:04,660 I know immediately. 1651 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,529 I throw it in and hit the bolt. 1652 01:21:09,198 --> 01:21:12,969 - Also on that one did the jacket pull draw. - Jacket pull draw. Yeah. 1653 01:21:13,136 --> 01:21:14,837 Jacket pull draw. Jacket pull draw. 1654 01:21:15,004 --> 01:21:18,807 Very slick. So good. Jacket pull draw. 1655 01:21:22,478 --> 01:21:25,481 A lot of the DNA, like we say, is always in the first one, right? 1656 01:21:25,648 --> 01:21:28,351 But I keep going back to number two as the real experiment. 1657 01:21:34,723 --> 01:21:36,159 John Wick rock concert. 1658 01:21:36,325 --> 01:21:38,261 See, where's Dave now? This is his cup of tea. 1659 01:21:38,461 --> 01:21:40,096 Dave would be up there rapping. 1660 01:21:41,864 --> 01:21:44,200 When we were in Rome and we were doing the concert stuff, 1661 01:21:44,367 --> 01:21:46,936 that was when we decided, okay, we have this huge crowd of people. 1662 01:21:47,136 --> 01:21:49,872 We have music going, like, how kooky are we gonna get here? 1663 01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:52,441 Like, is John Wick really gonna run up on stage and shoot somebody? 1664 01:21:52,641 --> 01:21:53,676 We're like, yeah. Yeah. 1665 01:21:58,014 --> 01:21:59,715 This is where we were like, okay, we're going. 1666 01:21:59,882 --> 01:22:01,850 The crowd's cheering for shooting people in the head. 1667 01:22:02,018 --> 01:22:04,287 So, it's kind of like Red Circle from the first one. 1668 01:22:04,487 --> 01:22:05,854 We do like a club scene. 1669 01:22:06,055 --> 01:22:08,724 That whole concert, for me, it came together 1670 01:22:08,857 --> 01:22:11,227 so big and so larger than life, and when we heard the music going 1671 01:22:11,394 --> 01:22:13,596 it was like, "Okay, we got to pump this up a little bit." 1672 01:22:13,762 --> 01:22:16,299 Then it was you like, "I'm gonna jump down the stairs. We're just gonna go. 1673 01:22:16,499 --> 01:22:17,900 I'm gonna run through the crowd." 1674 01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,136 It was this different kind of energy than number one. 1675 01:22:20,336 --> 01:22:21,537 It was a lot more aggressive. 1676 01:22:21,704 --> 01:22:22,738 Yeah. 1677 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,075 Bang, bang! Bang! Bang! 1678 01:22:27,043 --> 01:22:28,944 Bang! Got to go in here. 1679 01:22:29,112 --> 01:22:30,779 Oh, no. Bang, bang! 1680 01:22:31,447 --> 01:22:32,781 Bang! 1681 01:22:34,683 --> 01:22:35,818 Shit! Bang! 1682 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,388 We did invent this choreography in the night. 1683 01:22:39,555 --> 01:22:41,224 Literally did that on the night. 1684 01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:44,127 Flick. Look at that. That's legit. 1685 01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:47,163 John Wick's just got a lot of angry arms. Yeah, look at that. 1686 01:22:47,363 --> 01:22:49,398 I love that, the pullback. 1687 01:22:49,565 --> 01:22:51,767 I just want to see the heads explode. I just want to see a little bit of that. 1688 01:22:55,071 --> 01:22:56,972 Yeah, pretty much just made this all up on the night. 1689 01:22:57,140 --> 01:22:59,441 But I think this introduced, too, the idea of the toolbox, 1690 01:22:59,442 --> 01:23:01,444 the way that you guys trained me. 1691 01:23:01,877 --> 01:23:05,380 The magic of what Keanu went through is we built a giant toolbox for him... 1692 01:23:05,381 --> 01:23:07,250 You're out. 1693 01:23:07,683 --> 01:23:10,418 ...that at any moment, we can pull out tools from and plug and play. 1694 01:23:10,419 --> 01:23:12,755 Secondary. I built the training very similar 1695 01:23:12,921 --> 01:23:14,023 to the way we do choreography. 1696 01:23:14,223 --> 01:23:15,658 I would put a dummy round in the mag 1697 01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:17,326 so he would have to correct a malfunction. 1698 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,662 So, I would create problems in the middle of this 1699 01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:21,097 that he would have to solve. 1700 01:23:21,264 --> 01:23:22,831 All that prep gives you this luxury of, like, 1701 01:23:22,998 --> 01:23:25,101 we can be flexible and in the moment, 1702 01:23:25,268 --> 01:23:27,636 and almost ad-lib the action 1703 01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:30,173 because he's already gotten so good. 1704 01:23:30,339 --> 01:23:32,175 What? Cut it! 1705 01:23:32,341 --> 01:23:33,709 This is what Reeves can do. 1706 01:23:33,909 --> 01:23:36,011 And see, that spoiled me for the rest of the movie. 1707 01:23:36,179 --> 01:23:39,048 So, now I know you can do anything. I'm like, "I can change shit on the day." 1708 01:23:39,248 --> 01:23:41,784 In most action movies, you can't change the choreography. 1709 01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:44,620 Yeah. You don't want to upset "insert name." 1710 01:23:44,787 --> 01:23:46,555 Yeah. After this, it was like, "Oh, no, 1711 01:23:46,789 --> 01:23:49,192 we can change everything on Keanu. He's great." 1712 01:23:49,325 --> 01:23:51,726 All the stunt teams are like, "So we can still change things? 1713 01:23:51,727 --> 01:23:53,028 This is great." We can still change things. 1714 01:23:53,562 --> 01:23:56,298 Sorry. Back to one. Reset. 1715 01:23:56,299 --> 01:23:58,134 Fuck! It's all good. 1716 01:23:58,301 --> 01:23:59,668 That's what I like about the John Wick action. 1717 01:23:59,835 --> 01:24:01,570 John Wick always feels a little back on his heels. 1718 01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:03,639 Kind of like he just learned the choreography that day. 1719 01:24:03,806 --> 01:24:05,074 Yeah, yeah. Which is awesome. 1720 01:24:05,274 --> 01:24:07,576 And after this, now it was a challenge to us. 1721 01:24:07,776 --> 01:24:10,179 How do we keep up with Keanu? 1722 01:24:10,346 --> 01:24:14,317 Whoever comes, whoever it is, 1723 01:24:15,451 --> 01:24:16,685 I'll kill them. 1724 01:24:17,853 --> 01:24:19,388 I'll kill them all. 1725 01:24:19,588 --> 01:24:23,526 When John Wick 2 was being put together, 1726 01:24:23,692 --> 01:24:26,995 there were certain actors that were saying, like, 1727 01:24:27,196 --> 01:24:28,664 "We would love to be in John Wick 2." 1728 01:24:30,133 --> 01:24:32,067 You're not having a good night, are you, John? 1729 01:24:32,301 --> 01:24:36,605 Once they put Rome on the map, it was like, "I need to be in John Wick 2." 1730 01:24:36,739 --> 01:24:40,042 Chad, man, like, I have to be in there. I have to be in that world. 1731 01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:43,078 I reached out to Keanu, I was like, "Dude, all of our friends, 1732 01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:45,548 all the guys that worked on The Matrix pictures, 1733 01:24:45,714 --> 01:24:48,384 like, everybody's in the movie. You gotta hook me up." 1734 01:24:48,551 --> 01:24:52,255 Mr. Wick doesn't remember, but we met many years ago. 1735 01:24:52,421 --> 01:24:54,457 And then there were other actors that we thought, 1736 01:24:54,657 --> 01:24:56,192 "They would be great. Let's try to get them." 1737 01:24:56,392 --> 01:25:02,030 And at that point, not everyone was in on John Wick 1738 01:25:02,198 --> 01:25:05,134 as such a big thing that it's eventually gonna come out to be. 1739 01:25:08,337 --> 01:25:09,505 Oh, you motherfucker. 1740 01:25:09,738 --> 01:25:12,441 When you get to John Wick 3, 1741 01:25:12,575 --> 01:25:16,078 now there is this corner that has been turned 1742 01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:20,716 where pretty much everybody is aware of John Wick. 1743 01:25:20,883 --> 01:25:23,252 We can literally call it a franchise 1744 01:25:23,419 --> 01:25:27,656 because number one worked, number two worked even better, 1745 01:25:27,856 --> 01:25:29,625 and we're planning on making number three. 1746 01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:34,963 Now you have brilliant actors, Academy Award-winning actors, 1747 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:39,034 like Halle Berry and Anjelica Huston, 1748 01:25:39,235 --> 01:25:42,405 who really understands what John Wick is, 1749 01:25:42,571 --> 01:25:47,276 wants to be with Keanu, wants to be with 87eleven. 1750 01:25:47,443 --> 01:25:51,814 I was a fan. I mean, there's not a dull moment on screen. 1751 01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,782 I don't need to see the script. Just sign me up. 1752 01:25:53,949 --> 01:25:55,651 I gotta tell you, 1753 01:25:55,818 --> 01:25:58,854 I've been looking forward to meeting you for a long time. 1754 01:25:59,054 --> 01:26:02,525 I'm a huge fan, John Wick. 1755 01:26:02,725 --> 01:26:04,493 We're part of the establishment all of a sudden. 1756 01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:06,061 When we weren't, 1757 01:26:06,262 --> 01:26:07,963 John Wick 1 was way out of the establishment. 1758 01:26:08,231 --> 01:26:11,700 Even John Wick 2 was, like, a foot in and a foot out. 1759 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,972 And I said this to Keanu, I'm like, "Listen, for better or for worse, 1760 01:26:17,139 --> 01:26:22,311 we are now a place where in the economics of film and television and studios, 1761 01:26:22,478 --> 01:26:24,313 we have to expand this world." 1762 01:26:24,513 --> 01:26:28,984 Like, there's no version of us going, "Ah, guys, we're good." 1763 01:26:29,117 --> 01:26:32,688 You know, the shareholders of Lionsgate's like, "No, we want more." 1764 01:26:32,855 --> 01:26:36,559 And so I think we've all kind of collectively realized that, 1765 01:26:36,759 --> 01:26:40,729 and now we're like, "Okay, how do we make things just a bit cool, a bit different?" 1766 01:26:40,929 --> 01:26:44,667 All right. Picture's up. Lock it up. Here we go. 1767 01:26:46,201 --> 01:26:47,736 Cool location, right? 1768 01:26:47,936 --> 01:26:49,372 It's awesome. Thanks. 1769 01:26:50,806 --> 01:26:55,744 Fuck yeah. John Wick 3. Manhattan. New York City Library. 1770 01:27:00,115 --> 01:27:04,086 I feel like every John Wick film has had, like, the what and the why. 1771 01:27:04,287 --> 01:27:05,821 But what's the character? What's the why? 1772 01:27:06,655 --> 01:27:07,890 And then along that, 1773 01:27:08,056 --> 01:27:09,992 each film has had two or three, 1774 01:27:10,158 --> 01:27:12,861 like, action, not even sequences, 1775 01:27:13,028 --> 01:27:15,931 but, like, I want to be here. It's a mirror room. 1776 01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:21,670 It's gonna be the fight in the library with Boban. 1777 01:27:21,870 --> 01:27:25,007 It's gonna be the stairs in Chapter 4. 1778 01:27:25,173 --> 01:27:29,345 There's always been these impulses of action or set pieces, 1779 01:27:29,512 --> 01:27:33,416 and somehow the story has to go through here and here, you know, 1780 01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:36,719 and that kind of relentlessness of trying to figure it out. 1781 01:27:39,522 --> 01:27:42,090 Dogs, horses, pigeons, Grand Central. 1782 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:45,260 Grand Central. Grand Central. 1783 01:27:45,428 --> 01:27:47,896 All right, get out of here. I gotta go to work. 1784 01:27:48,063 --> 01:27:52,335 This is Ballet Land. That's these ladies. What are we shooting right now? 1785 01:27:52,535 --> 01:27:55,304 Tell 'em. John Wick 3. 1786 01:27:55,504 --> 01:27:57,272 That says it all, doesn't it? 1787 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:00,108 We're going to Marrakech. - Sounds good. 1788 01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:02,911 Going to Morocco. Halle Berry in the desert with some dogs. 1789 01:28:03,078 --> 01:28:06,214 It's one of the hardest things I've ever done. 1790 01:28:06,382 --> 01:28:10,052 I pushed myself to the limit. I had some broken bones. 1791 01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:13,121 But I survived. 1792 01:28:15,257 --> 01:28:17,225 Dogs. We need dogs in the movie. 1793 01:28:17,393 --> 01:28:19,294 What are you gonna do? Well, we're gonna train dogs to attack groins. 1794 01:28:24,299 --> 01:28:27,302 That was one of the concepts. That was one of the concepts. 1795 01:28:27,503 --> 01:28:29,472 John Wick 3. If you knew the budget we spent on dogs. 1796 01:28:29,638 --> 01:28:30,673 That was the concept. 1797 01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:35,744 We're gonna train Halle Berry with dogs. 1798 01:28:35,911 --> 01:28:37,646 Got an actress who wanted to say, 1799 01:28:37,813 --> 01:28:40,416 "Yeah, I want to train dogs for seven, eight months." 1800 01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:43,986 And that's not from a book series. That's not from a graphic novel. 1801 01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:46,254 That's from us going, "Hey, man, you like dogs? 1802 01:28:46,422 --> 01:28:48,824 I like dogs. You like dogs? I like dogs. Let's do something cool with dogs. 1803 01:28:48,991 --> 01:28:51,594 We did guns and cars. Let's do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs." 1804 01:28:54,797 --> 01:28:56,599 Dog fu. Dog fu, man. 1805 01:28:58,767 --> 01:29:00,836 And then, Keanu's going, "John Wick's got to be on a horse." 1806 01:29:01,003 --> 01:29:03,639 And I'm like, "John Wick on a horse sounds pretty fucking cool." 1807 01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:10,011 But a lot of other people that read the script went, 1808 01:29:10,012 --> 01:29:13,382 "Yeah, that's not... How is that gonna be cool?" 1809 01:29:13,582 --> 01:29:15,484 - Because he ran out of Central Park. - And we're like, 1810 01:29:15,651 --> 01:29:17,686 "We're not really sure, but we're gonna try and figure it out." 1811 01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:19,988 There's horses by Central Park. 1812 01:29:20,155 --> 01:29:23,325 If you're willing to endure that little bit of fear of the unknown 1813 01:29:23,492 --> 01:29:25,394 and that little bit of pain of figuring it out... 1814 01:29:25,594 --> 01:29:27,463 Who doesn't want to see John Wick on a horse? 1815 01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:29,632 - Yeah. - In a suit. 1816 01:29:29,798 --> 01:29:31,366 I mean, how we... 1817 01:29:31,534 --> 01:29:33,702 And I think most people get weirded out by it 1818 01:29:33,869 --> 01:29:35,671 because they don't know how it fits in the story 1819 01:29:35,838 --> 01:29:38,306 or they don't know how to make it work with the character, 1820 01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:40,743 and that's the beauty of what we have with John Wick. 1821 01:29:40,943 --> 01:29:42,478 It's our IP. Yeah. 1822 01:29:42,711 --> 01:29:45,213 So, there's no... There's no real rules. 1823 01:29:45,313 --> 01:29:47,916 Like, we've had people come up to us and actually say to Keanu and I, 1824 01:29:48,116 --> 01:29:49,184 "Well, that's not very John Wick." 1825 01:29:49,351 --> 01:29:50,919 And we're like, "I don't know, 1826 01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:52,387 that's John Wick, and he says he'll be on a horse." 1827 01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:54,089 You want to ride a horse? Yeah, man. 1828 01:29:54,289 --> 01:29:55,357 All right, then it's pretty John Wick, isn't it? 1829 01:29:58,994 --> 01:30:01,997 Getting to know Jackie Chan and Donnie Yen and Jet Li, 1830 01:30:02,164 --> 01:30:03,566 and having worked with all those people. 1831 01:30:03,732 --> 01:30:06,769 I was talking to Jackie one time... 1832 01:30:06,969 --> 01:30:09,672 This is after spending a lot of time watching how he works. 1833 01:30:09,838 --> 01:30:12,274 And, you know, I was giving him a little shit. 1834 01:30:12,475 --> 01:30:15,210 You know, like, if Keanu and I were just sitting here and I was telling Jackie, 1835 01:30:15,377 --> 01:30:18,013 "You know, if you have two people sitting there and there's a desk between us," 1836 01:30:18,180 --> 01:30:20,348 we're like, "Well, you know, he'd say something, I'd say something. 1837 01:30:20,516 --> 01:30:22,017 I'd jump over the desk, we'd start fighting, 1838 01:30:22,184 --> 01:30:23,719 and then we'd punch and punch and punch, 1839 01:30:23,886 --> 01:30:25,788 and then the other guy would walk out and say a cool line." 1840 01:30:25,988 --> 01:30:29,858 Jackie would do literally the exact opposite of any other choreographer. 1841 01:30:30,025 --> 01:30:32,528 He'd go, "Okay, you don't say anything. I'll say a joke. 1842 01:30:32,695 --> 01:30:35,864 I'm gonna try to walk out, but you stop me from walking out. 1843 01:30:36,031 --> 01:30:39,468 Then the room catches on fire, the door is locked, 1844 01:30:39,668 --> 01:30:42,137 we get handcuffed together and... What, are you right-handed? 1845 01:30:42,337 --> 01:30:44,206 Okay, so you can't use your right hand. 1846 01:30:44,372 --> 01:30:46,208 And you got to protect this vase here from breaking 1847 01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:47,976 because that's really what you wanted. 1848 01:30:48,176 --> 01:30:50,245 And you can't kill anybody, although everybody has a gun." 1849 01:30:50,412 --> 01:30:54,449 And you'd look at Jackie and go, "Well, how am I supposed to do that?" 1850 01:30:54,617 --> 01:30:56,585 And he had the best answer ever. 1851 01:30:56,752 --> 01:30:59,154 He looked right back and said, "I have no idea how you're gonna do it, 1852 01:30:59,354 --> 01:31:02,324 but if you figure it out, it'll be the best fight in the movie." 1853 01:31:02,525 --> 01:31:04,827 One of the sequences that I think will always go down 1854 01:31:05,027 --> 01:31:10,265 as one of the greatest moments in all four John Wick movies is the knife fight. 1855 01:31:10,432 --> 01:31:14,670 It's using all the things that would normally be a problem. 1856 01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:19,742 John is in a straight, narrow room, and he doesn't have a gun. 1857 01:31:19,908 --> 01:31:23,779 And all these assassins who have guns are coming to get him, and he can't hide. 1858 01:31:23,946 --> 01:31:28,651 So now he has to neutralize the guns that could shoot him and kill him, right? 1859 01:31:28,817 --> 01:31:30,018 That's number one. 1860 01:31:30,218 --> 01:31:34,189 Number two, he gets thrown against glass. 1861 01:31:34,389 --> 01:31:37,793 And what feels like it's gonna be a problem turns out to be an asset. 1862 01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,027 It's brilliant. 1863 01:31:45,267 --> 01:31:48,036 - That's so good. - We always called it the snowball fight. 1864 01:31:48,236 --> 01:31:50,939 You and your brothers get the snowball and you just chuck them at each other. 1865 01:31:51,106 --> 01:31:52,941 We were saying in every action movie, 1866 01:31:53,108 --> 01:31:54,777 no matter who it is, he always picks up a knife, 1867 01:31:55,077 --> 01:31:56,844 and they throw it, and it sticks in, and the guy dies. 1868 01:31:56,845 --> 01:31:58,681 And we're like, "That never really happens." 1869 01:31:58,847 --> 01:32:01,149 So let's do one where everybody misses all the time. 1870 01:32:01,316 --> 01:32:02,718 We kept rehearsing it and rehearsing it. 1871 01:32:02,918 --> 01:32:04,186 We kept changing all the different pieces. 1872 01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:05,821 But it still didn't fit right. 1873 01:32:05,988 --> 01:32:07,956 I was like, "Okay, it's gonna be a decent fight." 1874 01:32:08,123 --> 01:32:09,992 You know, I was looking forward to the horse stuff more and all that shit. 1875 01:32:10,158 --> 01:32:12,327 - Yeah. - It was about the third day of doing this. 1876 01:32:12,494 --> 01:32:15,363 It was when you come at him, just going one, two, three. 1877 01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:19,067 My opinion totally changed in this fight, right on that. Right here. 1878 01:32:26,041 --> 01:32:27,309 What do I do? Duck. 1879 01:32:27,475 --> 01:32:29,812 Duck? Duck? You better. 1880 01:32:32,047 --> 01:32:33,215 Duck? 1881 01:32:34,516 --> 01:32:36,018 This is real speed. 1882 01:32:36,184 --> 01:32:39,321 This is... Yeah, this is Shane and Chen here. 1883 01:32:39,487 --> 01:32:41,223 Whoa! That's legit. 1884 01:32:41,389 --> 01:32:43,558 We were literally putting this stuff together on the day. 1885 01:32:43,726 --> 01:32:44,660 Action! 1886 01:32:47,029 --> 01:32:50,733 Remember, like, when we had that, like, fucking take that's in the movie? 1887 01:32:50,899 --> 01:32:51,900 Yep. 1888 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,400 Take forever. 1889 01:32:53,401 --> 01:32:54,903 Not that... I know. 1890 01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:58,674 Shane is, like, amazing as well, but I'm so slow. 1891 01:32:58,841 --> 01:33:01,276 But there was something about that one take that was like-- 1892 01:33:01,476 --> 01:33:04,780 Yeah, that take, you know, it's great. It's great. 1893 01:33:15,090 --> 01:33:19,594 I was like, "Guys, I don't think I could do that any faster." 1894 01:33:19,762 --> 01:33:21,630 And Shane was like, "Me neither." 1895 01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:23,932 We reached, like, a high hand. It is. 1896 01:33:24,099 --> 01:33:26,969 It was so good but so very tired. Right? 1897 01:33:28,536 --> 01:33:30,538 That was fast. A lot. 1898 01:33:31,073 --> 01:33:32,107 Jesus. 1899 01:33:32,374 --> 01:33:34,375 What I learned in John Wick 1, 1900 01:33:34,376 --> 01:33:36,444 which you carried on through all of them, 1901 01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:40,115 was fight film with who you trained with. Yeah. 1902 01:33:40,282 --> 01:33:42,918 Everyone gets to know your timing, you know? 1903 01:33:43,085 --> 01:33:47,155 They know how slow I am, so they can do stuff in between. 1904 01:33:47,355 --> 01:33:48,657 "Come on, Reeves!" They compensate. 1905 01:33:48,857 --> 01:33:50,392 You figure everyone else does that. 1906 01:33:50,693 --> 01:33:52,359 I don't know why movies don't. They don't. 1907 01:33:55,563 --> 01:33:56,965 Cut! Cut. 1908 01:33:57,299 --> 01:33:58,299 Keanu, you know, he's a perfectionist. 1909 01:33:58,300 --> 01:33:59,567 I sucked. 1910 01:33:59,735 --> 01:34:01,336 And he is very hard on himself. 1911 01:34:01,536 --> 01:34:02,838 Obviously, his biggest action movies other than John Wick 1912 01:34:03,071 --> 01:34:05,240 were the Matrix movies. And the Wachowskis, 1913 01:34:05,373 --> 01:34:07,810 you know, there was no good enough. 1914 01:34:07,976 --> 01:34:10,078 And even if it is perfect, we'll shoot it ten more times 1915 01:34:10,245 --> 01:34:12,280 and make sure it's perfect-perfect, you know, super-perfect. 1916 01:34:12,447 --> 01:34:14,182 Super-perfect. 1917 01:34:14,382 --> 01:34:16,251 That's a Reevesian word, super-perfect. Yeah, that's-- 1918 01:34:16,418 --> 01:34:18,754 That's where we get the fuckity fucks. Yeah. 1919 01:34:18,921 --> 01:34:21,790 All directed at yourself, which is very admirable. 1920 01:34:24,326 --> 01:34:26,294 Fuck! Fuck! 1921 01:34:26,461 --> 01:34:28,697 Cut. We'll go again. Fuck! 1922 01:34:28,897 --> 01:34:30,699 I can't do the fucking lock. 1923 01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:34,336 Fucking lock, fucking, fucking lock, fucking lock, fuck. 1924 01:34:34,502 --> 01:34:37,439 Fuck! Fuck! 1925 01:34:37,605 --> 01:34:39,541 Fucker. Fucking, fucking, fucking fuck. 1926 01:34:39,742 --> 01:34:42,778 Fuck. That is my bad. Fuck! 1927 01:34:42,945 --> 01:34:45,313 Okay, now let's just do that. 1928 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:46,381 Fuck! 1929 01:34:48,817 --> 01:34:49,718 Fuck. 1930 01:34:51,854 --> 01:34:52,955 Fuck! 1931 01:34:53,121 --> 01:34:54,056 Fuck! 1932 01:34:54,256 --> 01:34:56,792 Fuck. Fuck. 1933 01:35:01,930 --> 01:35:04,532 Fuck it. I fucked that up. Fuck! 1934 01:35:04,666 --> 01:35:05,633 Cut. 1935 01:35:05,868 --> 01:35:06,869 Got it? Fuck! 1936 01:35:07,002 --> 01:35:08,971 Yes. Fuck! 1937 01:35:09,137 --> 01:35:10,172 Let's go again. 1938 01:35:10,338 --> 01:35:13,976 So, the fucks come from, 1939 01:35:14,142 --> 01:35:17,079 number one, you wanna do it well. You wanna do it right. 1940 01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,883 And also, when I've been thinking about it, it's like... 1941 01:35:23,886 --> 01:35:27,990 ...when you have to do a wire, or you go into an action sequence, 1942 01:35:28,156 --> 01:35:31,193 you basically have like a spring. 1943 01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:34,329 You know, you have a tension that's waiting to release. 1944 01:35:34,496 --> 01:35:38,033 And I feel like the fucks are a way to like... 1945 01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,703 It's like a kiai. Yeah. It's like a kiai. Like, "Fuck!" 1946 01:35:41,837 --> 01:35:43,839 Like, "Fuck." 1947 01:35:44,206 --> 01:35:47,641 And then, you get to ratchet it back up and go, "Okay, let's try again." 1948 01:35:47,642 --> 01:35:50,378 Three, two, one, action. 1949 01:35:52,314 --> 01:35:53,581 Yeah. 1950 01:35:56,184 --> 01:35:59,621 Reeves has consistently been one of the kindest, hardest-working, 1951 01:35:59,822 --> 01:36:04,893 gentle, generous people that I've ever met inside or outside of this business. 1952 01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:07,930 But when he plugs in and he goes all in on something, 1953 01:36:08,096 --> 01:36:10,565 he's going all in, and you gotta be ready for that. 1954 01:36:10,732 --> 01:36:12,067 He knows what he's doing, 1955 01:36:12,334 --> 01:36:14,701 and when he grabs you to do a throw or flip, 1956 01:36:14,702 --> 01:36:16,805 it's like a vice. 1957 01:36:17,005 --> 01:36:21,043 And if you look on my Instagram, I posted a small picture. 1958 01:36:21,209 --> 01:36:23,745 My arms are just like, what? 1959 01:36:23,912 --> 01:36:26,849 But I was proud of those. I earned those, you know? 1960 01:36:27,049 --> 01:36:30,218 John Wick, Chad and Keanu right here, all over. 1961 01:36:36,191 --> 01:36:39,895 I cannot tell you how many times on a John Wick set I have taken my phone 1962 01:36:40,062 --> 01:36:43,731 and have videoed stunts and fight scenes that were happening. 1963 01:36:43,899 --> 01:36:48,136 Not for any other reason but to say, "Look, this actually was done." 1964 01:36:51,039 --> 01:36:53,108 You know, I've seen Keanu and his stunt double 1965 01:36:53,275 --> 01:36:56,744 go through some incredibly physical trauma on these movies. 1966 01:37:14,329 --> 01:37:17,532 Getting the chance to double Keanu was pretty surreal. 1967 01:37:17,732 --> 01:37:21,636 His relationship with Chad being his double through The Matrix, 1968 01:37:21,803 --> 01:37:23,605 which changed my life... 1969 01:37:23,805 --> 01:37:28,110 So, having Chad pass me the torch was just a huge honor. 1970 01:37:28,243 --> 01:37:32,614 And just getting to meet Reeves and make that relationship. 1971 01:37:34,316 --> 01:37:37,819 Well, they're playing the character too, you know? 1972 01:37:40,688 --> 01:37:46,461 And they're doing things where they can get hurt. 1973 01:37:47,462 --> 01:37:49,131 Like, really hurt. 1974 01:37:51,099 --> 01:37:53,201 I don't know how many car hits Jackson took. 1975 01:37:56,804 --> 01:37:59,975 I mean, if someone counted those, there's at least 20. 1976 01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:03,178 And that's, like, in an edited version. 1977 01:38:09,717 --> 01:38:11,386 And then all of the falls that he did... 1978 01:38:11,553 --> 01:38:12,687 ...one, go! 1979 01:38:15,557 --> 01:38:16,891 Crashing, hitting... 1980 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,097 collisions that are like, "Oh, no. What?" 1981 01:38:24,699 --> 01:38:28,203 And then all of the choreography that he could do that I couldn't do, 1982 01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:29,704 you know, just physically. 1983 01:38:32,907 --> 01:38:34,943 Also the skill, the movement, 1984 01:38:35,143 --> 01:38:38,880 the way he moved, the way that he, you know, paid attention to the character, 1985 01:38:39,047 --> 01:38:40,515 to me in the role. 1986 01:38:40,648 --> 01:38:42,384 And there's a talent to that. 1987 01:38:42,784 --> 01:38:45,252 It's not just, like, put the pads on and get hit by a car. 1988 01:38:45,253 --> 01:38:47,022 You know, he's playing John Wick. 1989 01:38:47,389 --> 01:38:49,191 And he's gotta move... You want to sell it a little bit. 1990 01:38:50,392 --> 01:38:53,228 So, I think you're bonded and connected in art, 1991 01:38:53,395 --> 01:38:56,031 and you're connected in the physicality of it. 1992 01:39:04,339 --> 01:39:07,075 We're all very masochistic in a way. 1993 01:39:07,242 --> 01:39:10,545 It's just like, "It hurts." It's a "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" 1994 01:39:12,380 --> 01:39:17,719 My greatest physical pain was from the high fall on Wick 3. 1995 01:39:23,791 --> 01:39:28,230 So, I fall I think it was 12 feet to this little awning, 1996 01:39:28,396 --> 01:39:30,332 which is Lexan, which is like a plastic. 1997 01:39:30,532 --> 01:39:33,568 Slide down, I'm supposed to catch my feet on the ledge 1998 01:39:33,735 --> 01:39:36,971 and, like, pencil over, like dead body, 1999 01:39:37,139 --> 01:39:40,775 turn until I land on my back half on, half off the fire escape. 2000 01:39:40,942 --> 01:39:43,078 It's supposed to collapse and I'm supposed to fall. 2001 01:39:47,549 --> 01:39:48,750 You're going to... Yep. Yes, sir. 2002 01:39:48,916 --> 01:39:49,951 All right. 2003 01:39:53,155 --> 01:39:54,789 Well, we tested the gag, 2004 01:39:54,956 --> 01:39:59,461 but we never tested the suit on the Lexan that I slide down. 2005 01:39:59,627 --> 01:40:03,498 I just had, like, workout clothes on or something like that. 2006 01:40:03,665 --> 01:40:08,203 And so, the static electricity from a suit creates less friction... 2007 01:40:10,972 --> 01:40:13,775 so I think when I fell, I slid so fast 2008 01:40:13,941 --> 01:40:16,878 that by the time I figured out where I was, 2009 01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:19,614 my feet were going past where they were supposed to catch. 2010 01:40:19,781 --> 01:40:23,285 So my hip ended up chipping off the ledge. 2011 01:40:23,485 --> 01:40:26,788 And I'm going sideways, so I'm about to Million Dollar Baby myself. 2012 01:40:26,954 --> 01:40:32,060 Luckily, I caught myself and landed basically on the back of my head. 2013 01:40:33,695 --> 01:40:35,297 The fire escape didn't break away, 2014 01:40:35,463 --> 01:40:37,965 which would have let me fall and continue the shot 2015 01:40:38,133 --> 01:40:40,302 to where I would fall into a box catcher. 2016 01:40:43,105 --> 01:40:45,740 The first thing that I thought of was just like, "Move your foot." 2017 01:40:47,142 --> 01:40:49,244 My foot moved, and I was like, "Oh, thank God." 2018 01:40:49,444 --> 01:40:51,913 "We're gonna try the other one." The other went... I was like, "Okay, great." 2019 01:40:54,015 --> 01:40:56,384 This is how I knew it looked bad in the video village. 2020 01:40:56,551 --> 01:40:59,053 Someone said Chad went, "Fuck!" 2021 01:40:59,221 --> 01:41:00,755 I can bring a Condor or you can come down your way. 2022 01:41:00,955 --> 01:41:02,490 I'll just drop. Okay. 2023 01:41:03,358 --> 01:41:05,160 Three, two, one, jump! 2024 01:41:06,828 --> 01:41:09,431 I just looked down and Chad's just hands in his pockets. 2025 01:41:11,032 --> 01:41:14,068 "How you doing?" I'm like, "That sucked." 2026 01:41:14,802 --> 01:41:16,604 That was... Fuck. 2027 01:41:16,771 --> 01:41:18,740 You all right? Yeah. 2028 01:41:19,141 --> 01:41:21,508 I'm like, "Do we need to go again?" He's like, "I'd like to." 2029 01:41:21,509 --> 01:41:24,045 He's like, "Can you?" I was like, "Yeah, but if we go again, 2030 01:41:24,212 --> 01:41:25,680 we need to go, like, now 2031 01:41:25,847 --> 01:41:28,450 because I have a feeling in about ten minutes, 2032 01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:32,019 I'm going to be like Batman 'cause I landed on my head." 2033 01:41:32,187 --> 01:41:35,290 He's like, "All right. Well, let's figure out what we need to do to fix it, 2034 01:41:35,490 --> 01:41:38,726 and let's go. All right. I'm glad you're okay." 2035 01:41:38,893 --> 01:41:42,063 Why was it so slick? That was slick as shit. 2036 01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:44,566 So I went and did it again. 2037 01:41:44,732 --> 01:41:49,771 This is another testament to our, like, bullshit. 2038 01:41:49,937 --> 01:41:52,374 See Chad looking at the monitor and I was like, 2039 01:41:52,540 --> 01:41:54,142 "All right, how was that?" He's like, 2040 01:41:55,243 --> 01:41:56,811 "Well, we're not going to beat the first one." 2041 01:41:57,011 --> 01:41:59,080 He's like, "It looks like you just fucking die." 2042 01:41:59,247 --> 01:42:00,948 And I was like, "Well, yeah." 2043 01:42:03,285 --> 01:42:08,590 So, you know, you're watching another person put their health at risk. 2044 01:42:08,756 --> 01:42:10,992 You know? But you also know that they love it. 2045 01:42:11,193 --> 01:42:12,093 Nice jump. 2046 01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:13,595 And you also know that 2047 01:42:13,928 --> 01:42:16,163 when it turns out well and everybody's okay, 2048 01:42:16,164 --> 01:42:17,999 it's like, "Fuck yeah!" 2049 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,902 And so, for me, it's just like you're admiring what they do. 2050 01:42:21,068 --> 01:42:22,637 We're all wearing the suit. 2051 01:42:22,804 --> 01:42:24,906 When you come up as a stuntperson, 2052 01:42:25,072 --> 01:42:27,175 if you're looking for credit and notoriety, 2053 01:42:27,375 --> 01:42:28,843 you're in the wrong end of the business. 2054 01:42:29,043 --> 01:42:30,445 You get to do this little part. You get to... 2055 01:42:30,612 --> 01:42:34,282 You have the anonymity that I've always enjoyed. 2056 01:42:34,449 --> 01:42:37,285 And then, you know, you get to work with some of Hollywood's best, 2057 01:42:37,452 --> 01:42:39,521 and you get to be a ninja. 2058 01:42:39,721 --> 01:42:42,023 No one knew who you were, but you still got to sit in the movie theater 2059 01:42:42,224 --> 01:42:43,758 and go, "Yeah, that's me." 2060 01:42:43,925 --> 01:42:46,060 And you pull off some of the greatest moments in Hollywood. 2061 01:42:46,328 --> 01:42:50,632 I'm pretty sure that I have died more than anyone else in the Wick series. 2062 01:42:53,301 --> 01:42:56,838 Wick 2, in the tunnels, I was taking just shotgun hits. 2063 01:43:00,442 --> 01:43:02,777 Wick 3, Halle killed me as well. 2064 01:43:05,447 --> 01:43:07,949 I played guards inside the Continental. 2065 01:43:10,518 --> 01:43:12,454 I die twice in the club scene... 2066 01:43:14,489 --> 01:43:16,324 once inside the house, 2067 01:43:16,491 --> 01:43:18,393 two times in the house of mirrors, 2068 01:43:18,593 --> 01:43:21,028 a bunch of times inside the tunnel, 2069 01:43:21,195 --> 01:43:22,564 probably like four times in there. 2070 01:43:25,867 --> 01:43:28,336 I also doubled Michael Nyqvist, so I guess I died there as well. 2071 01:43:30,805 --> 01:43:34,041 There's a fight scene in John Wick 1 that Keanu strangles me. 2072 01:43:35,643 --> 01:43:40,014 Then in 2, we shot a big scene in Lincoln Square, I think, 2073 01:43:40,181 --> 01:43:42,384 but it never made it in the movie. 2074 01:43:42,584 --> 01:43:46,220 Then in John Wick 3, I'm the guy who kicks him underwater, 2075 01:43:46,388 --> 01:43:47,822 super slow motion, 2076 01:43:47,989 --> 01:43:50,358 then Keanu comes up, blows my brains out. 2077 01:43:50,525 --> 01:43:53,261 At Trader Joe's, there was some young guy who kind of was like, 2078 01:43:53,461 --> 01:43:55,663 "You've been in a movie. I've seen it. I've seen it." 2079 01:43:55,863 --> 01:43:58,065 I was like, "Yeah, I've been in a couple movies like John Wick." 2080 01:43:58,266 --> 01:44:00,067 He's like, "You were in John Wick?" I go, "Yeah." He's like, "Cool." 2081 01:44:00,234 --> 01:44:03,104 And then the next day I come in, and he yells from across the way, 2082 01:44:03,305 --> 01:44:06,007 "Hey, hey, that's the Speedo guy." 2083 01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:18,586 Check, recheck. 2084 01:44:20,855 --> 01:44:21,956 Cut! 2085 01:44:24,492 --> 01:44:26,561 3 was hard because we shot everything 2086 01:44:26,728 --> 01:44:29,797 but not Morocco because of weather, 2087 01:44:29,997 --> 01:44:34,235 and Halle had broken her ribs and needed time to heal. 2088 01:44:34,402 --> 01:44:36,938 And so we had this moment in time where we were editing the movie, 2089 01:44:37,104 --> 01:44:38,473 but the middle of the movie wasn't there. 2090 01:44:38,673 --> 01:44:40,041 We still couldn't figure it out. 2091 01:44:40,375 --> 01:44:42,744 We didn't have enough money to do that piece. 2092 01:44:44,546 --> 01:44:48,716 And then got to Morocco, and Morocco was awful. 2093 01:44:48,883 --> 01:44:51,753 I mean, just like everything about it. 2094 01:44:51,919 --> 01:44:54,288 We were supposed to shoot in one place. We ended up in Essaouira. 2095 01:44:54,456 --> 01:44:56,891 We couldn't permit anything. 2096 01:44:57,058 --> 01:45:01,262 And then, we had the dogs, which also we had to ferry from the US. 2097 01:45:01,429 --> 01:45:03,598 There's five dogs. We get there, and one of the dogs wouldn't perform 2098 01:45:03,698 --> 01:45:05,099 because they just didn't like Morocco. 2099 01:45:05,533 --> 01:45:07,968 It was also this fishing village, 2100 01:45:07,969 --> 01:45:09,837 and so there was dead fish everywhere, 2101 01:45:10,037 --> 01:45:11,773 which meant there was stray cats everywhere. 2102 01:45:11,939 --> 01:45:14,342 So there was fucking cats everywhere. 2103 01:45:14,542 --> 01:45:16,578 Santana, over here. 2104 01:45:16,744 --> 01:45:18,413 Santana, over here. Hey. 2105 01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:21,649 In trying to get the dogs to focus and not kill the cats, 2106 01:45:21,816 --> 01:45:24,852 we built a cat hotel on the side of the set. 2107 01:45:25,052 --> 01:45:27,088 I mean, it was just like pure mayhem. 2108 01:45:27,188 --> 01:45:29,123 Fuck! 2109 01:45:29,557 --> 01:45:33,694 When we wrap, everyone always has the same emotion, which is "Never again." 2110 01:45:33,695 --> 01:45:36,398 Like, "Fuck this. Never again." Especially Keanu. 2111 01:45:36,598 --> 01:45:39,601 At the end of every John Wick, we're like, "There's just never gonna be another one," 2112 01:45:39,767 --> 01:45:41,869 because we are so dead and we hate each other, 2113 01:45:42,069 --> 01:45:43,838 and Keanu is literally half dead. 2114 01:45:44,005 --> 01:45:45,973 Halfway through, Keanu's like, "At the end of this movie..." 2115 01:45:46,140 --> 01:45:49,043 I'm not exaggerating. He goes, "I want to be beheaded. 2116 01:45:49,243 --> 01:45:51,479 I want to see the guy holding up my head." 2117 01:45:51,646 --> 01:45:54,849 And I'm just like, "One, no, and two, nice try, 2118 01:45:55,016 --> 01:45:56,350 'cause you will never be able to come back again." 2119 01:45:56,551 --> 01:45:59,320 After 3, we were like, "Okay. 2120 01:45:59,487 --> 01:46:01,055 That's it. That's enough." That's good. 2121 01:46:01,255 --> 01:46:02,524 "We've done it. We're good." 2122 01:46:02,690 --> 01:46:04,559 And it just kept eating at me, eating at me. 2123 01:46:04,759 --> 01:46:06,728 Like, we didn't get to do our Japanese portion. 2124 01:46:06,928 --> 01:46:09,363 We didn't get to do our samurai version. There was so much left. 2125 01:46:09,531 --> 01:46:13,801 I remember sitting with you going, "Okay, I got a pretty good why this time." 2126 01:46:13,968 --> 01:46:15,537 You just felt like there was more to do. 2127 01:46:15,703 --> 01:46:16,971 Yeah. 2128 01:46:21,676 --> 01:46:24,211 Do you think you're ready to do the forward 180 one-handed? 2129 01:46:24,378 --> 01:46:26,648 Yes. And with your right hand? 2130 01:46:28,382 --> 01:46:29,651 Let's try it. Let's try it. 2131 01:46:29,817 --> 01:46:31,385 Do you want the gun now or on the next one? 2132 01:46:31,553 --> 01:46:33,087 Let's do it on the next one. Okay, I got it. 2133 01:46:41,829 --> 01:46:44,198 We were told that there was too much action in John Wick 3, 2134 01:46:44,365 --> 01:46:45,933 - so we had to cut it down. - No. 2135 01:46:46,133 --> 01:46:49,070 Boy, did we show them in number four, huh? 2136 01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:00,047 What was hard about 4 was we weren't in New York, 2137 01:47:00,214 --> 01:47:02,316 so the DNA of the movie had changed. 2138 01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:05,787 So all of a sudden, we were making kinda like the international Wick version, 2139 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,623 which was like a little bit hard for us to get our sea legs. 2140 01:47:08,823 --> 01:47:10,391 And we had Donnie Yen... 2141 01:47:12,994 --> 01:47:16,130 which, amazing, but also another movie star on set. 2142 01:47:18,032 --> 01:47:20,868 And we started sort of behind. We were spending a lot of money. 2143 01:47:21,035 --> 01:47:25,206 It was coming off the pandemic, all of the masks and all that bullshit. 2144 01:47:25,372 --> 01:47:26,808 And it was a gigantic movie. 2145 01:47:29,844 --> 01:47:31,546 And it was also almost 100 days. 2146 01:47:31,713 --> 01:47:33,247 You know, when you think about the first movie, it was like 40. 2147 01:47:33,414 --> 01:47:34,816 Oh, my hips. 2148 01:47:35,016 --> 01:47:37,218 You could push someone well past the limit 2149 01:47:37,384 --> 01:47:38,753 when you're shooting 40 or 50 days. 2150 01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,322 When you're on day 92, you got to be careful. 2151 01:47:41,489 --> 01:47:42,757 Cut! Goddamn it. 2152 01:47:43,157 --> 01:47:46,159 Why can't I fucking do that fucking throw? 2153 01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:48,129 They never got easier, and even as John Wick 4, 2154 01:47:48,295 --> 01:47:50,131 you know, now we got a hundred plus million dollars, 2155 01:47:50,297 --> 01:47:53,067 because now we're-- we're trying to make $120 million 2156 01:47:53,234 --> 01:47:54,401 look like $200 million. 2157 01:47:57,905 --> 01:47:59,774 We also didn't have our, like, core, 2158 01:47:59,941 --> 01:48:02,343 that crew that we had for the three other movies, 2159 01:48:02,544 --> 01:48:03,845 and it felt different. 2160 01:48:04,211 --> 01:48:05,345 All of a sudden, we're like based in Berlin. 2161 01:48:05,346 --> 01:48:07,081 We had a lot of different teams. 2162 01:48:07,248 --> 01:48:11,753 And so, it was just like getting into a rhythm was hard. 2163 01:48:11,919 --> 01:48:13,320 Is that another car? 2164 01:48:13,487 --> 01:48:15,623 No. It would be... So, he would hit-- 2165 01:48:15,790 --> 01:48:18,693 He hits the car, doesn't know he hits the car, then he gets floored? 2166 01:48:18,893 --> 01:48:22,363 Yeah. And behind that car, Bruce comes out of the abyss. 2167 01:48:22,564 --> 01:48:24,932 Chad said, "I need you to come do Wick 4." 2168 01:48:25,099 --> 01:48:28,502 I was like, "Awesome. We're gonna have the team together." 2169 01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:32,807 Nope. No Jackson because he's becoming a fight coordinator, stunt coordinator. 2170 01:48:32,974 --> 01:48:35,009 JoJo's working on his own shows. 2171 01:48:37,244 --> 01:48:42,183 So, I was under the microscope of Chad with no older brothers to watch my back. 2172 01:48:42,349 --> 01:48:44,018 Nice. 2173 01:48:44,251 --> 01:48:47,822 Chad just was like, "You're up. Don't fuck up." 2174 01:48:47,955 --> 01:48:50,992 Instead of blocking, you shoot. And I shoot. And he's like, I shoot. 2175 01:48:51,158 --> 01:48:53,628 It sounds very... It looks very childish. 2176 01:48:53,795 --> 01:48:56,564 Donnie was a whole nother entity to deal with. 2177 01:48:58,399 --> 01:49:00,201 Being the perfectionist that he is, 2178 01:49:00,635 --> 01:49:04,137 he takes regular fight choreography and puts his Donnie factor on it, 2179 01:49:04,138 --> 01:49:07,241 and he throws a bunch of curveballs that we just had to be ready for. 2180 01:49:07,441 --> 01:49:09,844 This is... There's no technique. 2181 01:49:10,011 --> 01:49:12,479 We got to put some Filipino, like, a Kali in there. 2182 01:49:12,647 --> 01:49:15,717 Pop, pop, pop, pop. You know, the pop... You know, use that technique. 2183 01:49:15,883 --> 01:49:20,021 So, the pressure was high, but he just wanted the best. 2184 01:49:25,492 --> 01:49:27,194 Cut! That's fucking awesome. 2185 01:49:27,361 --> 01:49:29,496 And that's how I would equate Chad. 2186 01:49:29,664 --> 01:49:31,532 Chad wants the best. 2187 01:49:31,699 --> 01:49:34,535 In Chad's words, "Don't do your best. Do my best." 2188 01:49:37,504 --> 01:49:40,875 I'll tell you one thing, because Chad changes things so much. 2189 01:49:41,042 --> 01:49:45,579 The nunchuck fight is almost shot for shot the previs. 2190 01:49:45,747 --> 01:49:47,081 So, there's one thing I'm proud about. 2191 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,689 Good, cut. Cut. 2192 01:49:55,089 --> 01:49:57,091 Keanu was extra stressed out during the nunchuck fight 2193 01:49:57,191 --> 01:50:00,627 because the first thing you think about when you see nunchucks is Bruce Lee. 2194 01:50:00,628 --> 01:50:03,698 Nunchucks are always one of those things that sounds great 2195 01:50:03,865 --> 01:50:07,401 until you realize how much work has to go into them, as we found out. 2196 01:50:07,568 --> 01:50:09,937 And back in his day, they didn't make all soft... 2197 01:50:10,104 --> 01:50:11,639 Didn't have the soft side. ...rubbery. 2198 01:50:11,839 --> 01:50:13,908 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all wood. No. Wood. 2199 01:50:14,075 --> 01:50:17,645 When Tiger and I were trying them, they were... there was a penalty. 2200 01:50:17,845 --> 01:50:19,012 Consequences. 2201 01:50:19,013 --> 01:50:20,381 So many times. 2202 01:50:20,882 --> 01:50:22,716 There was a lot of penalties on John Wick 4. 2203 01:50:22,717 --> 01:50:25,086 I'd pick up the real pair and go like, "Oh, no." 2204 01:50:25,252 --> 01:50:27,054 No, no. 2205 01:50:27,221 --> 01:50:29,724 Literally, anybody that picked up the real pair, ten seconds later, 2206 01:50:29,891 --> 01:50:31,759 yeah, put them back down going, "Fuck." 2207 01:50:32,794 --> 01:50:34,061 And action! 2208 01:50:45,306 --> 01:50:47,842 Probably we should have bee able to shoot that fight in half a day. 2209 01:50:48,042 --> 01:50:49,777 Wrong fucking hand, Reeves. 2210 01:50:49,944 --> 01:50:52,513 But Keanu had a horrible ear infection. Could not hear anything. 2211 01:50:52,714 --> 01:50:54,481 I know he had to feel awful. 2212 01:50:54,648 --> 01:50:55,950 Goddamn it. 2213 01:50:56,117 --> 01:50:57,418 It took us, I think, 2214 01:50:57,584 --> 01:50:59,020 at least a whole day, maybe a day and a half. 2215 01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:02,123 But, you know, he never quit. 2216 01:51:02,289 --> 01:51:04,258 Why do I keep doing that, man? 2217 01:51:04,625 --> 01:51:08,361 Keanu, throughout the whole movie of Wick 4, he kind of had the flu. 2218 01:51:08,362 --> 01:51:12,166 And the work ethic to work through it was intense 2219 01:51:12,333 --> 01:51:14,435 because we had already started shooting. 2220 01:51:14,535 --> 01:51:15,903 He was doing a couple other fights. 2221 01:51:16,237 --> 01:51:18,705 But on his off time, when he wasn't on camera, 2222 01:51:18,706 --> 01:51:20,141 he was training nunchucks. 2223 01:51:20,441 --> 01:51:22,209 We would say, "You're sick. Take a day off." 2224 01:51:22,343 --> 01:51:25,146 He's like, "No days off. I shoot nunchucks in a couple days." 2225 01:51:25,312 --> 01:51:27,849 Does he have a wall? We've never found it. 2226 01:51:28,015 --> 01:51:29,851 Ready and action! 2227 01:51:33,587 --> 01:51:35,890 A lot of the Wicks are like love letters to things that we love. 2228 01:51:36,090 --> 01:51:37,925 Like the low-budget action movies we grew up loving. 2229 01:51:38,125 --> 01:51:40,527 So we had Mark Dacascos in John Wick 3. 2230 01:51:40,694 --> 01:51:43,397 I mean, we had Gary Daniels in number two, Daniel Bernhardt, 2231 01:51:43,597 --> 01:51:46,133 you know, Yayan and Cecep from The Raid. 2232 01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:48,135 I mean, look who we got on number four. 2233 01:51:48,302 --> 01:51:49,904 That was one of the things. We don't know the script, 2234 01:51:50,104 --> 01:51:52,306 but I know Scott Adkins is going to be in a fat suit. 2235 01:51:52,506 --> 01:51:54,408 Chad, I want to be in John Wick 4. 2236 01:51:54,608 --> 01:51:56,010 Yeah. That phone call-- 2237 01:51:56,177 --> 01:51:57,979 Thanks for this opportunity. I really appreciate it. 2238 01:51:58,145 --> 01:51:59,480 I remember that phone call-- 2239 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,482 But I don't wanna do another movie with you. 2240 01:52:01,615 --> 01:52:04,485 I've had enough, to be quite frank. 2241 01:52:04,651 --> 01:52:06,888 Nothing's better for me when I get to call up Marko Zaror, 2242 01:52:07,054 --> 01:52:09,556 who I didn't know before we worked together, saying, 2243 01:52:09,723 --> 01:52:12,193 "Hey, man, I really love all your films." He's like, "You're kidding, right?" 2244 01:52:12,359 --> 01:52:14,661 I was like, "No, really. We watch them all the time. They're awesome." 2245 01:52:14,829 --> 01:52:16,397 I killed Mark Dacascos. 2246 01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:18,565 I killed Scott Adkins. Now I'm going to kill Marko Zaror. 2247 01:52:20,401 --> 01:52:22,635 Who's left, man? Cynthia Rothrock? 2248 01:52:22,636 --> 01:52:26,007 Shamier, when you come in, give it a one one-thousand, 2249 01:52:26,173 --> 01:52:27,875 then he can build in his look. Cool. 2250 01:52:28,042 --> 01:52:29,543 Beat, one one-thousand, go. 2251 01:52:29,710 --> 01:52:30,878 That's your first one. Cool. 2252 01:52:31,045 --> 01:52:33,380 Should I wait to see him before I dodge? 2253 01:52:33,547 --> 01:52:36,550 I think you could do it at the same time. Shamier counts to 1,000. 2254 01:52:36,717 --> 01:52:38,552 If you go to peek as soon as you hit... Okay. 2255 01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:40,421 ...you'll run into him and that can be the, "Oh, shit." 2256 01:52:40,587 --> 01:52:42,623 Okay. Someone say action. 2257 01:52:42,824 --> 01:52:44,792 Ready, and action. 2258 01:52:44,992 --> 01:52:47,194 Boom. Go back. Boom. 2259 01:52:47,361 --> 01:52:48,262 Bang. 2260 01:52:48,429 --> 01:52:49,463 Bang. 2261 01:52:49,663 --> 01:52:53,300 Bang. Drop gun. Draw. Bang, bang. 2262 01:52:56,370 --> 01:52:59,140 Nice. Action hero. 2263 01:53:08,749 --> 01:53:11,618 We came up with this idea for top shot and what you see here... 2264 01:53:11,785 --> 01:53:13,921 Why do you keep saying "we"? Well, I mean the crew. Everybody. 2265 01:53:14,088 --> 01:53:16,090 'Cause like, okay, I came up with the idea, this is my thought... 2266 01:53:16,257 --> 01:53:18,125 What do you mean? This is like one of the first things, 2267 01:53:18,292 --> 01:53:21,495 this was one of the ideas, the concepts that followed us, 2268 01:53:21,695 --> 01:53:23,330 the duel, the top shot... Exactly. 2269 01:53:23,530 --> 01:53:26,233 More horses, that was on the plate. 2270 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,936 So, we came up with all this stuff. Why? Where's the "we"? 2271 01:53:29,103 --> 01:53:30,504 Well... ...can you lie? 2272 01:53:30,704 --> 01:53:32,506 You! You! No. No. 2273 01:53:32,706 --> 01:53:34,808 - You! - They don't see it 'cause top shots-- 2274 01:53:35,009 --> 01:53:38,011 No. There was no we who said, "I see a top shot in John Wick 4." 2275 01:53:38,012 --> 01:53:39,947 We wanted to do a top shot-- 2276 01:53:40,447 --> 01:53:42,215 It was like, "I'm Chad and, yeah, that's what I see in my head." 2277 01:53:42,216 --> 01:53:44,485 All right, so kooky director guy comes up with this idea. 2278 01:53:44,651 --> 01:53:47,254 Thank you. And I used to play with Etch A Sketch as a kid. 2279 01:53:47,421 --> 01:53:49,823 So, I'm like seeing things in Etch A Sketch world. 2280 01:53:49,991 --> 01:53:54,361 And one of the things I've always hated about action movies is editing to hide, 2281 01:53:54,528 --> 01:53:55,930 camerawork to hide. 2282 01:53:56,297 --> 01:53:57,998 Because most times, you don't have Keanu Reeves, 2283 01:53:57,999 --> 01:53:59,500 you don't have six months of rehearsals, 2284 01:53:59,833 --> 01:54:01,435 you don't have the best stunt teams in the world. 2285 01:54:01,635 --> 01:54:03,569 So, you're hiding wires, you're hiding green screen, 2286 01:54:03,570 --> 01:54:05,472 you're hiding stunt doubles, you're hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding. 2287 01:54:05,572 --> 01:54:09,276 So what would happen if you didn't have to hide anything? 2288 01:54:09,443 --> 01:54:11,478 We wanted to say, "Hey, watch this, guys. 2289 01:54:11,678 --> 01:54:14,148 We're gonna see Keanu Reeves do all this, come up to a top shot 2290 01:54:14,281 --> 01:54:16,017 and then show all the bad guys behind the wall," 2291 01:54:16,183 --> 01:54:19,120 so the audience is in on the gags, even before our lead actor is, 2292 01:54:19,286 --> 01:54:20,988 because they can see the bad guys coming in. 2293 01:54:21,088 --> 01:54:22,356 Kind of like Etch A Sketch. 2294 01:54:22,689 --> 01:54:24,491 But I don't think there's been a time 2295 01:54:24,591 --> 01:54:27,161 where we haven't had pushback, because people don't see it. 2296 01:54:27,328 --> 01:54:31,232 So, without maybe telling anybody, we started to build the set. 2297 01:54:31,432 --> 01:54:33,200 So we're already spending the money. 2298 01:54:33,367 --> 01:54:35,736 So by the time the actual "no" came back, 2299 01:54:35,937 --> 01:54:37,905 we had kind of already built three-quarters of the set. 2300 01:54:38,105 --> 01:54:42,977 So, the rationale was, "Well, we might as well shoot it, 2301 01:54:43,144 --> 01:54:44,711 but you guys got to do it in two days." 2302 01:54:44,946 --> 01:54:47,214 You don't take dictation from the studio by any stretch, 2303 01:54:47,348 --> 01:54:49,216 but you try to figure out a middle ground. 2304 01:54:49,383 --> 01:54:51,718 As someone who has to live between the creative 2305 01:54:51,885 --> 01:54:55,822 and the financial and, you know, the studio and Chad, it's hard. 2306 01:54:55,990 --> 01:55:01,228 I mean, he never accepts no as the answer. And beauty and magic come out of that. 2307 01:55:01,395 --> 01:55:04,231 But man, you go fully gray. 2308 01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:09,436 I think that the proof's kind of in the pudding, right? 2309 01:55:09,636 --> 01:55:10,938 Number one is pretty good. 2310 01:55:11,138 --> 01:55:12,940 Hopefully number two is better, three is better, 2311 01:55:13,140 --> 01:55:15,442 4 is... I'm most proud of, because I think 2312 01:55:15,642 --> 01:55:19,846 it's the most anime with framing, composition, depth of field. 2313 01:55:20,014 --> 01:55:22,049 Chad has always been very cognizant 2314 01:55:22,249 --> 01:55:26,053 that John Wick is a franchise that's dripping with tone. 2315 01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:32,559 And it's that Sergio Leone, like, take your time, move through the scene, 2316 01:55:32,726 --> 01:55:34,261 be with the character. 2317 01:55:34,428 --> 01:55:38,399 Chad was very much into not cutting into a lot of details. 2318 01:55:38,565 --> 01:55:40,734 He wants to play it as wide as possible, 2319 01:55:40,901 --> 01:55:43,137 have dolly shots and crane shots and Steadicam. 2320 01:55:43,337 --> 01:55:45,872 So we would try to move the camera as much as we can 2321 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:49,943 to make it more epic, more classic. 2322 01:55:50,111 --> 01:55:52,213 And so, even in the earliest discussions, 2323 01:55:52,379 --> 01:55:53,747 we always make sure that, like, 2324 01:55:54,015 --> 01:55:56,450 does this feel important and does it feel special? 2325 01:55:56,550 --> 01:56:01,155 Does it feel like we're presenting an image worth resting on? 2326 01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:06,460 Pretty cool. 2327 01:56:06,627 --> 01:56:07,928 Sacré-Coeur. 2328 01:56:08,762 --> 01:56:10,664 John Wick's final scene. 2329 01:56:13,034 --> 01:56:14,501 This is where it happens? 2330 01:56:14,701 --> 01:56:15,602 The duel. 2331 01:56:15,769 --> 01:56:17,404 Should be pretty cool. 2332 01:56:17,571 --> 01:56:19,106 If we can only figure out how to light it and how to shoot it 2333 01:56:19,273 --> 01:56:21,175 and how to perform it and how to edit it 2334 01:56:21,375 --> 01:56:24,345 and how to put score to it, make it look really cool, we'd be set. 2335 01:56:26,747 --> 01:56:30,817 Especially because we start shooting in... 34 minutes. 2336 01:56:31,752 --> 01:56:33,454 And so we begin. 2337 01:56:41,862 --> 01:56:44,598 After Chapter 3, it was like, why? 2338 01:56:44,765 --> 01:56:48,469 And I was saying, like, "The why is he has to die." 2339 01:56:48,635 --> 01:56:50,137 And I think as soon as I said that, 2340 01:56:50,404 --> 01:56:52,673 you-- you were like-- No, it's like, "I'm in." 2341 01:56:52,773 --> 01:56:54,508 Once you say that, that's the period, right? 2342 01:56:54,675 --> 01:56:56,277 And then you got to figure out how. Yeah. How? 2343 01:56:56,443 --> 01:56:58,612 If he's got to die, like, we got to make this count. 2344 01:57:00,281 --> 01:57:02,516 And I think that was the hardest part, right? 2345 01:57:02,683 --> 01:57:06,187 Because we knew, one of the first things we wanted to do, like, we wanted to do a duel. 2346 01:57:06,353 --> 01:57:08,522 Positions, gentlemen. 2347 01:57:08,789 --> 01:57:11,225 Then, you're like, "Okay, but it's got to mean something, like..." 2348 01:57:11,325 --> 01:57:13,694 Yeah. My duel was like, "Well, he'll win." 2349 01:57:13,860 --> 01:57:16,230 And you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's got to lose. 2350 01:57:16,430 --> 01:57:18,465 But he wins and he gets what he wants." 2351 01:57:18,632 --> 01:57:20,234 So, how do we get him out of this whole life? 2352 01:57:20,434 --> 01:57:22,669 How do we get out of everything? Mmm. 2353 01:57:22,836 --> 01:57:27,541 And that's when we set up the whole Donnie's character's backstory 2354 01:57:27,708 --> 01:57:28,909 of saving a daughter. Yeah. 2355 01:57:29,110 --> 01:57:30,644 And Hiroyuki's character 2356 01:57:30,811 --> 01:57:32,513 of the daughter survives him. 2357 01:57:32,679 --> 01:57:35,382 So you lose a friend and a friend has to fight you in the duel. 2358 01:57:35,549 --> 01:57:37,418 Because originally we had Marquis duels you-- 2359 01:57:37,618 --> 01:57:39,486 Right, yeah. It took a little while. 2360 01:57:39,653 --> 01:57:42,623 It was like a clock trying to figure out the right mechanism. 2361 01:57:42,823 --> 01:57:45,559 How do we tell John Wick time? Yeah, exactly. 2362 01:57:48,995 --> 01:57:51,698 Chad always talks about how he loves the idea of frenemies. 2363 01:57:51,898 --> 01:57:53,900 It's in all of the movies, but especially in John Wick 4, right? 2364 01:57:54,067 --> 01:57:55,736 Like the Caine and Wick relationship 2365 01:57:55,902 --> 01:57:58,339 and the idea that you can love your brother, 2366 01:57:58,505 --> 01:57:59,740 but then also want to kill your brother. 2367 01:57:59,906 --> 01:58:01,342 I missed you, John. 2368 01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:05,912 It's so good to sit with a friend. 2369 01:58:07,381 --> 01:58:10,284 I love the Japanese concept of secrets and hidden whispers, 2370 01:58:10,484 --> 01:58:12,919 meaning only a warrior knows a warrior, only a soldier... 2371 01:58:13,086 --> 01:58:16,123 Like you have to be in the trenches with someone to really know them. 2372 01:58:16,323 --> 01:58:18,459 And just, I mean, that shot alone, two guys sitting there 2373 01:58:18,659 --> 01:58:20,894 both knowing they have to face each other the next day, I thought that was-- 2374 01:58:21,061 --> 01:58:23,264 In a church. In a church. 2375 01:58:24,498 --> 01:58:25,932 We're damned... 2376 01:58:27,868 --> 01:58:29,236 you and I. 2377 01:58:30,704 --> 01:58:32,406 On that we agree. 2378 01:58:32,606 --> 01:58:34,107 What we've all tried to do in John Wick 2379 01:58:34,275 --> 01:58:36,710 is link John Wick to everybody in the movie, 2380 01:58:36,877 --> 01:58:39,213 so he's always got a relationship, so no one's a throwaway. 2381 01:58:39,380 --> 01:58:43,250 And I think that's why John's so beloved, even though he's an assassin. 2382 01:58:43,417 --> 01:58:45,586 I mean, even the tracker who's literally just met him. 2383 01:58:45,752 --> 01:58:48,789 Because we don't have the stereotypes of good guy, bad guy, 2384 01:58:48,955 --> 01:58:51,658 we can fuck with relationships like that. 2385 01:58:51,858 --> 01:58:55,061 Like Donnie and him were probably best friends at a point. 2386 01:58:55,229 --> 01:58:57,898 See you in the next life, brother. 2387 01:58:58,064 --> 01:59:00,734 Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend, but John puts him in danger, 2388 01:59:00,901 --> 01:59:02,336 and Hiroyuki stands up for him. 2389 01:59:02,603 --> 01:59:05,472 Friendship means little when it's convenient. 2390 01:59:05,572 --> 01:59:08,842 To play with friendship and bonding and loyalty like that is a real luxury. 2391 01:59:09,042 --> 01:59:10,411 Fire! 2392 01:59:15,616 --> 01:59:18,985 You started John Wick 1 with John Wick falling to his side. 2393 01:59:19,152 --> 01:59:20,354 Yep. 2394 01:59:20,554 --> 01:59:21,855 And then, there he is. 2395 01:59:24,425 --> 01:59:25,826 He gets his grace. 2396 01:59:31,765 --> 01:59:33,334 We're doing this little focal thing. Mm-hmm. 2397 01:59:33,500 --> 01:59:35,202 So I'll have you guys look at the gravestone. 2398 01:59:35,402 --> 01:59:37,838 When I say "Laurence," they'll rack over to you. You turn-- 2399 01:59:38,004 --> 01:59:38,939 And then make my turn. Exactly. 2400 01:59:39,105 --> 01:59:41,442 Very good. 2401 01:59:41,608 --> 01:59:43,544 Is this the last-- not last shot. 2402 01:59:43,744 --> 01:59:46,480 You're making the last shot in the movie. 2403 01:59:46,647 --> 01:59:48,949 I think. Although, I could change my mind. 2404 01:59:49,082 --> 01:59:50,183 Probably tomorrow. 2405 01:59:50,584 --> 01:59:52,918 Or now. I've just changed my mind. 2406 01:59:52,919 --> 01:59:54,855 So it's not the last one? 2407 01:59:56,089 --> 01:59:57,458 Why? Who wants to know? 2408 01:59:59,025 --> 02:00:01,127 How much does one more cost? 2409 02:00:03,497 --> 02:00:05,999 We're still talking about John Wick and John Wick universe a lot. 2410 02:00:06,199 --> 02:00:08,735 But whether or not there's a specifically John Wick 5, I don't know. 2411 02:00:08,935 --> 02:00:11,572 Where do you think he is, heaven or hell? 2412 02:00:14,207 --> 02:00:15,642 Who knows? 2413 02:00:15,976 --> 02:00:18,411 I think the movies are so, you know, hyperreal. 2414 02:00:18,412 --> 02:00:20,381 And we've proven that, you know, 2415 02:00:20,547 --> 02:00:23,350 people can survive all sorts of crazy things. 2416 02:00:23,517 --> 02:00:25,252 So, it's whatever we want it to be. 2417 02:00:25,452 --> 02:00:27,453 We still have ideas left... I know. We still have-- 2418 02:00:27,454 --> 02:00:29,390 ...that we haven't done, man! 2419 02:00:29,890 --> 02:00:34,126 It is a bit surreal that after a decade of nonstop John Wick, 2420 02:00:34,127 --> 02:00:36,897 that we'll have a break and that Chad's going off and do another movie. 2421 02:00:37,063 --> 02:00:38,865 I'm hoping, selfishly, he's gonna go, 2422 02:00:39,032 --> 02:00:41,201 "This is what it's like to direct a regular movie. 2423 02:00:41,535 --> 02:00:43,903 I want to go back to John Wick, where I could do whatever the hell I want 2424 02:00:43,904 --> 02:00:45,339 and Keanu will do anything I ask." 2425 02:00:45,506 --> 02:00:47,073 Creatively, like, even if-- 2426 02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:49,209 I mean, if you and I just spend, like, seven minutes 2427 02:00:49,376 --> 02:00:52,145 and we could figure out, like, what haven't we done, 2428 02:00:52,346 --> 02:00:54,415 and we could come up with ideas for 5 2429 02:00:54,581 --> 02:00:57,284 and it would be like... You know, it wouldn't suck. 2430 02:00:57,484 --> 02:00:59,453 Wick is pain. It'd just be a different pain on a different day. 2431 02:00:59,653 --> 02:01:01,888 Yeah. But maybe we can find another story to tell 2432 02:01:02,055 --> 02:01:03,290 and cook another meal. 2433 02:01:09,330 --> 02:01:12,933 I can't wait to see what happens next in action. 2434 02:01:13,099 --> 02:01:16,470 It's like fashion. It changes. There's generations. It evolves. 2435 02:01:16,670 --> 02:01:18,905 To be part of that movement is really exciting. 2436 02:01:19,072 --> 02:01:21,174 People always send me clips of different movies. 2437 02:01:21,442 --> 02:01:23,910 "Hey, look, they're copying John Wick" or "They're trying to do gun fu." 2438 02:01:24,010 --> 02:01:25,379 I dig that. 2439 02:01:25,546 --> 02:01:26,647 You know, when you read a script and it just says, 2440 02:01:26,847 --> 02:01:27,881 "John Wick action happens." 2441 02:01:28,048 --> 02:01:29,282 I kinda... You smile. 2442 02:01:29,450 --> 02:01:31,385 You're like, okay, that's pretty... 2443 02:01:31,585 --> 02:01:33,286 I kind of play it off. But I'm pretty like, "That's pretty cool." 2444 02:01:33,420 --> 02:01:36,823 That's inspiring because being competitive is what drives us. 2445 02:01:37,023 --> 02:01:40,961 And that's being competitive with what's been done, including ourselves. 2446 02:01:41,127 --> 02:01:45,165 I don't have any competition with Chad in my head. 2447 02:01:47,734 --> 02:01:49,135 I don't think I have any competition. 2448 02:01:49,302 --> 02:01:51,572 I mean, he does his own thing. 2449 02:01:51,738 --> 02:01:53,507 He's doing... Well, he's in his own world. 2450 02:01:53,707 --> 02:01:55,275 He does Wick. Like, he loves Wick. 2451 02:01:55,509 --> 02:01:58,412 Wick is fucking Chad. Chad and Keanu, they're Wick. 2452 02:01:58,579 --> 02:02:01,648 They bleed Wick. They die Wick. They're like Wick, you know? 2453 02:02:01,815 --> 02:02:04,651 And that's why it's so good, you know? 2454 02:02:04,851 --> 02:02:06,252 'Cause Wick is pain. 2455 02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,321 Um... Maybe Wick is pain. 2456 02:02:09,322 --> 02:02:11,358 Maybe it's a great name for the documentary. 2457 02:02:11,758 --> 02:02:15,495 I think if there's one thing that the Wick process has taught me, 2458 02:02:15,496 --> 02:02:17,297 just from watching Keanu and everything, 2459 02:02:17,731 --> 02:02:20,400 is pain's not necessarily a bad thing, you know what I mean? 2460 02:02:20,401 --> 02:02:24,771 Pain's just the end result, often, of just brave choices 2461 02:02:24,938 --> 02:02:26,840 or putting yourself out there or trying to win. 2462 02:02:27,007 --> 02:02:29,876 Yeah, we all have to suffer. We all have to train hard. 2463 02:02:30,076 --> 02:02:33,380 But to me, no, honestly, I love that. 2464 02:02:33,580 --> 02:02:35,048 That's what I do every day anyway. 2465 02:02:35,248 --> 02:02:37,384 You have to suffer a little bit to be better, you know? 2466 02:02:37,584 --> 02:02:40,887 I mean, our bodies suffer. Our minds suffer. 2467 02:02:41,655 --> 02:02:42,489 And I love that. 2468 02:02:42,656 --> 02:02:44,458 We want to make it the best. 2469 02:02:44,791 --> 02:02:47,893 And in order to make it the best, you got to do whatever it takes. 2470 02:02:47,894 --> 02:02:50,697 And sometimes it hurts. It hurts. 2471 02:02:50,864 --> 02:02:53,734 And it hurts you, and it hurts the people around you, 2472 02:02:53,934 --> 02:02:55,736 maybe the people that are close to you. 2473 02:02:56,036 --> 02:02:58,203 But Wick isn't pain. I mean, Wick's a blessing. 2474 02:02:58,204 --> 02:03:00,340 I mean, it's like movie magic. 2475 02:03:00,507 --> 02:03:05,846 It's, you know... We all hit a creative and financial jackpot. 2476 02:03:06,012 --> 02:03:10,016 And, you know, there isn't a day that goes by where I'm not like, 2477 02:03:10,216 --> 02:03:12,586 "Thank fucking god Wick's a part of my life." 2478 02:03:12,786 --> 02:03:15,856 Is the pain worth it? Yeah. 2479 02:03:16,022 --> 02:03:17,758 It's just a lot of pain. 2480 02:03:21,127 --> 02:03:22,629 Congratulations. 2481 02:03:22,829 --> 02:03:23,730 Awesome. 2482 02:03:26,533 --> 02:03:28,502 Good job. Thank you, guys. 2483 02:03:28,969 --> 02:03:31,471 It's like one of the greatest gifts I've had in my life. 2484 02:03:33,540 --> 02:03:34,708 Well done. 2485 02:03:35,075 --> 02:03:38,111 I had a John Wick decade, my 50s. 2486 02:03:38,779 --> 02:03:40,313 Fuck yeah. 2487 02:03:40,681 --> 02:03:44,083 I don't know if I could have another decade like that. 2488 02:03:44,084 --> 02:03:45,251 Um... 2489 02:03:46,186 --> 02:03:48,889 Yeah, I'd be very, very lucky. 2490 02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:52,358 But, uh, yeah. 2491 02:03:53,860 --> 02:03:56,997 Wick is pain. Wick is celebration. 2492 02:03:57,197 --> 02:04:00,767 Wick is surviving. Wick is trying to be free. 2493 02:04:01,568 --> 02:04:03,203 Wick is grieving. 2494 02:04:04,370 --> 02:04:06,773 Against the odds, surviving. 2495 02:04:07,974 --> 02:04:12,479 Wick is friendship. Wick is love. 2496 02:04:13,580 --> 02:04:14,781 You know? 2497 02:04:14,948 --> 02:04:18,084 It's all those kind of big ideas 2498 02:04:18,251 --> 02:04:22,589 in this... action movie. 2499 02:04:31,231 --> 02:04:35,401 And Wick is funny. And John Wick is funny.